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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Fri, 15 Nov 2013 05:07:04 GMT
On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Alex Harui <> wrote:
> I still think that having a "Release Auditor" role provides backup for
> getting incubator releases out without having folks have to be on the IPMC
> to approve the legal aspects of a release.  Just like any ASF Member can
> backup busy PMC Chairs for some actions, any TLP PMC member should be able
> to backup a busy IPMC member for release auditing.

Speaking as someone who would presumably be suitable for this "Release
Auditor" role, I'm opposed to the idea -- and not just because I don't want to
get stuck doing all the dirty work.

People who sign up to Mentor a podling should expect to vote on releases --
especially the first.  The Incubator PMC tasks Mentors with overseeing the IP
clearance processes.  A Mentor who votes +1 on the first incubating release is
implicitly affirming that IP clearance was done properly -- because that was
their assignment, and if something had gone awry they would surely not vote to

A +1 vote from a "Release Auditor" who did not participate in IP clearance is
much less meaningful: all it tells you is that whatever superficial inspection
they performed on the finished product did not reveal any defects.  If some
committer mistakenly attaches an ALv2 header to a file that shouldn't have
one, a "Release Auditor" won't find that.  To catch such problems, you need
someone monitoring the the dev and commits lists: possibly a Mentor, ideally a
project contributor.

The most meaningful +1 votes are those cast by enlightened core contributors,
because they speak from deep knowledge of the code base and its history.  IP
stewardship is a continuous process, and the Incubator's goal should be to
graduate communities with the motivation and expertise to attend to it over
the long term -- not to certify code.

Marvin Humphrey

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