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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Sun, 10 Nov 2013 15:41:23 GMT
I don't think this is prudent, having only one binding vote is too low a check. We at the ASF
have a responsibility to the public. I want to be certain that no one steam rolls the process.
Just the fact that there are edge cases means we need to be careful.


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On Nov 10, 2013, at 4:04 AM, ant elder <> wrote:

> How about simply changing the rules for Incubator releases so that
> they don't require at least three binding votes, but instead make it
> at least three votes only one of which must be binding. That would
> mean there would still be the element of oversight that a mentor vote
> gives but avoids all the problems with not having three mentors. I'm
> sure the board would grant the Incubator authority to implement that
> change.
>   ...ant
> On Sun, Nov 10, 2013 at 8:00 AM, Alex Harui <> wrote:
>> IMO, there are two problems:
>> 1) We're trying to train folks to manage IP for their community but they
>> have to seek approval from folks are aren't as vested in their community.
>> My analogy is telling a new city council member: "Welcome to the city
>> council.  For the next year all of your decisions will require
>> ratification by 3 state senators".
>> 2) Release voting takes a long time.  It would seem like tools should be
>> able to reduce the time on several of the steps, except for this one from
>> [1] "compile it as provided, and test the resulting executable on their
>> own platform".
>> Sometimes I think about trying to get on the IPMC and helping some podling
>> get a release out but:
>> A) Really, I just want to help check the legal aspects of a podling's
>> release and don't have bandwidth to want to take on the other roles
>> implied by being on the IPMC.
>> B) I don't want to take the time to figure out how to build and test a
>> release that I have no vested interest in.
>> Now, incubating releases are not official releases, right? So why have
>> such time- consuming requirements to get approval from the IPMC?  Let's
>> assume that the podling folks tested the building and operation of the
>> source package.  Could we build an ant script that any IPMC member or any
>> PMC member from any TLP (to expand the pool of potential helpers to folks
>> who supposedly know how) can run just to check:
>> 1) source package has the name "incubating"

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