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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Thu, 07 Nov 2013 23:39:01 GMT

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On Nov 7, 2013, at 4:36 PM, Ross Gardler <> wrote:

> On 7 November 2013 11:20, Ted Dunning <> wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Marvin Humphrey <
>>> wrote:
>>> The Incubator has a fundamental structural flaw: it lacks a mechanism to
>>> reward merit earned by individual podling contributors.  Instead, we
>> teach
>>> people to hate the Incubator by placing their projects at the mercy of
>>> Mentors.  Our Mentors care, but they don't care enough.  They don't care
>>> like
>>> core developers care.
>> Nominate these meritorious contributors as IPMC members.
> +1 This is exactly what I have been proposing the incubator do for a very
> long time. In fact I set the precedent by having two podling committers
> voted onto the IPMC as an experiment.
> That experiment proved very successful (both helped with other podlings and
> both are now Members of the foundation).

Yes it very much worked for me. I'll note that the two releases for OpenOffice had the same
three +1 voters - a Mentor named Jim, an IPMC member Marvin, and me - one of the experimental
PPMC to IPMC members. I was already a PMC member.

From my experience different mentors and different podlings have different levels of understanding
of licensing issues. That is not surprising. INAL so I take the advice of Legal Affairs seriously.
I think that the recent flames there have a negative effect here. Clarity on concrete cases
should come before abstract discussions. Yet others take the "air out of the room".

Lets think about that before we deconstruct the Incubator again.


> That successful experiment should become part of the incubation process.
> Ross
> PS and yes I do see the need for me, as a mentor, of Alura to make this
> happen. I did discuss the projects strategy with project members a week
> ago. Not found the time to follow up yet but I would suggest highlighting
> individuals in a negative rather than positive light is not the way to
> encourage volunteers to find time

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