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From Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Mon, 07 Oct 2013 11:38:06 GMT
No worries.
I got few kids so I know how it can be hard and long to find the good
name and have all agree on it :-)


On 7 October 2013 22:26, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks a lot Olivier
>
>
> On 7 Oct 2013, at 1:26, Olivier Lamy wrote:
>
>> Page renamed: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/SironaProposal
>> I will wait until tomorrow if no more objections then start the vote.
>>
>>
>> On 7 October 2013 09:59, Tammo van Lessen <tvanlessen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> +1 for Sirona
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ashish <paliwalashish@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> +1, sounds good
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
>>>>> Any objections?
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
>>>>>> translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on the english
>>>>>> wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan
>>>>>
>>>>> stands
>>>>>>
>>>>>> for. But I like its sound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring is
>>>>>> "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However, Sirona
>>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>> used
>>>>>>
>>>>>> by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
>>>>>> http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
>>>>>> of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related
to
>>>>>> monitoring.
>>>>>> There is a project management software called marlin:
>>>>>> http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I believe we currently have:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Apache Leitstand
>>>>>> Apache Nechtan
>>>>>> Apache Merlin
>>>>>> Apache Sirona
>>>>>> Apache Heimdall
>>>>>> Apache Dagr
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache Nechtan"
due
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I
am not
>>>>>
>>>>> good
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way cooler
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also see thor is being used by infra:
>>>>>>>> status.apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with
Heimdall,
>>>>
>>>> who
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more known
because he
>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server
;-)
>>>>>>>> A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames:
Heimdall
>>>>
>>>> was
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> named as the "father of all humans".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew
when danger
>>>>>>>> appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr
(the end of
>>>>
>>>> our
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> time and the fall of the gods) starts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification
of the tool
>>>>>>>> happens ;-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for "Day".
In old
>>>>>
>>>>> myths
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi
through
>>>>>
>>>>> heaven.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer.
I
>>>>
>>>> imagine
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our applications.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology.
Its so
>>>>>>>> poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the similarity
to Apache
>>>>>>>>>> Buildr.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already
very much a
>>>>>>>>> thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can
be avoided,
>>>>>
>>>>> we'd
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for
our
>>>>>>>>> infrastructure.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With regards,
>>>>>>>>> Daniel.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>>> Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy" <olamy@apache.org>:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So what about Baldr?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring
then change the name
>>>>>
>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> TLP?
>>>>>>>>>>> WDYT?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier
<
>>>>>
>>>>> grobmeier@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would like to throw in this document:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> We should make a few tests already before
we start the process
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> officially.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> here is the current list, i felt so free
to add a few comments
>>>>>>>>>>>> already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - CoMon
>>>>>>>>>>>> There is "Common Software", a company. We
might have a
>>>>>>>>>>>> trademarks
>>>>>>>>>>>> problem because of similarity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Leitstand
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did
not find any
>>>>
>>>> repositories
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is
usually something were
>>>>
>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> can
>>>>>>>>>>>> adjust things (more power, less steam and
so on). Monitoring
>>>>
>>>> would
>>>>>
>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> only a part of it. But on the other hand,
it expresses things
>>>>
>>>> well
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is a unused word so far.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Thor
>>>>>>>>>>>> Great name, great god, but unfortunately
a lot of people use
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>>>>>> for their code :-(
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
>>>>>>>>>>>> I haven't see a lot with that name, but we
need to check this
>>>>
>>>> more
>>>>>
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> detail.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> From that perspective, Leitstand would be
the best catch from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> unique
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> point of view. I like Baldr very much from
that meaning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lets see if there are more names the next
days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons monitoring,
that's fun and
>>>>
>>>> closer
>>>>>
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> english so easier to propagate IMO.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste
Onofré" <jb@nanthrax.net
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> écrit :
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I like the "Apache Leitstand" name.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> JB
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van
Lessen wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So if German is en vogue already,
I'd propose "Apache
>>>>
>>>> Leitstand"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1],
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> means "control room". I think
it would make also a nice name
>>>>>
>>>>> when
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pronounced in English. This of
course only works if the GUI
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of the project, which is
the case if I understood
>>>>>
>>>>> correctly.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<
>>>>>
>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<
>>>>>
>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23
AM, Olivier Lamy <
>>>>
>>>> olamy@apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So It looks we have more interested
folks.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But before starting the vote
I'd like to find an other name
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Someone proposed "Baldur"
or "Balder" (note, It's a popular
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> germanic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> god). So as a French guy
this proposition looks to be rude
>>>>
>>>> for
>>>>>
>>>>> me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If any other propositions,
it's time to speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olivier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 16 September 2013 08:25,
Tammo van Lessen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb
"Romain Manni-Bucau" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rmannibucau@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Angular is great
but i hope well keep extensibility
>>>>
>>>> possible
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> js.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all case well get at
least a thread on it to discuss about
>>>>
>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stack we
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> want and well use ;)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to
that discussion ;) I'd prefer
>>>>
>>>> progressive
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enhancement
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> over SPAs in this context as well. Or even
http://roca-style.org
>>>>
>>>> .
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Olivier Lamy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/olamy
| http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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