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From Olivier Lamy <ol...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [PROPOSAL] Apache Monitoring
Date Sun, 06 Oct 2013 23:26:45 GMT
Page renamed: https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/SironaProposal
I will wait until tomorrow if no more objections then start the vote.


On 7 October 2013 09:59, Tammo van Lessen <tvanlessen@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for Sirona
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 4:44 PM, Ashish <paliwalashish@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> +1, sounds good
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 4:31 AM, Olivier Lamy <olamy@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> > So Apache Merlin sounds good to me.
>> > Any objections?
>> >
>> > On 25 September 2013 23:47, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > Nechtan sounds cool also. Please note, in the german wikipedia its
>> > > translated with "The tremendousness". This is not noted on the english
>> > > wikipedia. After reading wikipedia I am still not sure what Nechtan
>> > stands
>> > > for. But I like its sound.
>> > >
>> > > I just found "Sirona", goddess of healing. Because monitoring is
>> > > "identifying the sickness before its getting worse". However, Sirona is
>> > used
>> > > by companies related to healing (aka dental works).
>> > >
>> > > What I found interesting is this page claims Merlin being a god:
>> > > http://wicca.com/celtic/wicca/celtic.htm
>> > > of protecting, counseling, crystal reading and so.
>> > >
>> > > A few projects use Merlin, but all are very small ant not related to
>> > > monitoring.
>> > > There is a project management software called marlin:
>> > > http://www.projectwizards.net/de/merlin/
>> > >
>> > > I believe we currently have:
>> > >
>> > > Apache Leitstand
>> > > Apache Nechtan
>> > > Apache Merlin
>> > > Apache Sirona
>> > > Apache Heimdall
>> > > Apache Dagr
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 25 Sep 2013, at 15:03, Stephen Connolly wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Why not try Celtic mythology.... I was thinking "Apache Nechtan" due
>> to
>> > >> the
>> > >> association with access to knowledge and floods... but heck I am not
>> > good
>> > >> on my Irish mythology and the Norse ones always sounded way cooler
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> On 25 September 2013 13:23, Christian Grobmeier <grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >>> I also see thor is being used by infra:
>> > >>> status.apache.org
>> > >>>
>> > >>> (mentioning, because it has been proposed as name too).
>> > >>>
>> > >>> However, it's not so bad. I actually mixed up Baldur with Heimdall,
>> who
>> > >>> is
>> > >>> the actual "protector" of Bifröst. Baldur was more known because
he
>> was
>> > >>> able to return from Hel (sounds like a good name for a server ;-)
>> > >>> A quick crosscheck told me Heimdall is not used that often.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> For those who were concerned about using nordic godnames: Heimdall
>> was
>> > >>> named as the "father of all humans".
>> > >>>
>> > >>> He was also known for his horn Gjallarhorn which he blew when danger
>> > >>> appeared. Most notable he blew that horn when Ragnarökr (the end
of
>> our
>> > >>> time and the fall of the gods) starts.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> I imagine the sound of a horn when critical notification of the
tool
>> > >>> happens ;-)
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Another idea i just had was "Dagr". It old norsk for "Day". In
old
>> > myths
>> > >>> Dagr is the son of night and he rides his horse Skinfaxi through
>> > heaven.
>> > >>> The crest of the horse lights the earth with golden shimmer. I
>> imagine
>> > >>> Apache Dagr to shed light on the dark corners of our applications.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> Heck, when I was young i read a lot about northern mythology. Its
so
>> > >>> poetic. I should spend some time to read again.
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 25 Sep 2013, at 10:19, Daniel Gruno wrote:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> On 09/25/2013 09:21 AM, Tammo van Lessen wrote:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Baldr is fine with me, my only concern is the similarity
to Apache
>> > >>>>> Buildr.
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> Just a heads up from infra; baldr.apache.org is already very
much a
>> > >>>> thing, and has been for more than five years. If it can be
avoided,
>> > we'd
>> > >>>> really appreciate it if we can keep the name Baldr for our
>> > >>>> infrastructure.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> With regards,
>> > >>>> Daniel.
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>>> Tammo
>> > >>>>> Am 25.09.2013 01:18 schrieb "Olivier Lamy" <olamy@apache.org>:
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> So what about Baldr?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> BTW we can start incubation using Monitoring then change
the name
>> > for
>> > >>>>>> TLP?
>> > >>>>>> WDYT?
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> On 21 September 2013 06:30, Christian Grobmeier <
>> > grobmeier@gmail.com>
>> > >>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> I would like to throw in this document:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<
>> > http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> We should make a few tests already before we start
the process
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>> officially.
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> here is the current list, i felt so free to add
a few comments
>> > >>>>>>> already.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> - CoMon
>> > >>>>>>> There is "Common Software", a company. We might
have a trademarks
>> > >>>>>>> problem because of similarity.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> - Leitstand
>> > >>>>>>> Not sure if I like the sound :-), but did not find
any
>> repositories
>> > >>>>>>> at
>> > >>>>>>> github. From the meaning, a Leitstand is usually
something were
>> you
>> > >>>>>>> can
>> > >>>>>>> adjust things (more power, less steam and so on).
Monitoring
>> would
>> > be
>> > >>>>>>> only a part of it. But on the other hand, it expresses
things
>> well
>> > >>>>>>> and
>> > >>>>>>> it is a unused word so far.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> - Thor
>> > >>>>>>> Great name, great god, but unfortunately a lot
of people use that
>> > >>>>>>> name
>> > >>>>>>> for their code :-(
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> - Balder / Baldur, also possible: Baldr
>> > >>>>>>> I haven't see a lot with that name, but we need
to check this
>> more
>> > in
>> > >>>>>>> detail.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> From that perspective, Leitstand would be the best
catch from a
>> > >>>>>>> unique
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> point of view. I like Baldr very much from that
meaning.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Lets see if there are more names the next days.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> Romain Manni-Bucau schrieb:
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> Why not "CoMon"? Remind commons monitoring,
that's fun and
>> closer
>> > to
>> > >>>>>>>> english so easier to propagate IMO.
>> > >>>>>>>> Le 20 sept. 2013 12:59, "Jean-Baptiste Onofré"
<jb@nanthrax.net
>> >
>> > a
>> > >>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> écrit :
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>> I like the "Apache Leitstand" name.
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> Regards
>> > >>>>>>>>> JB
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> On 09/20/2013 09:51 AM, Tammo van Lessen
wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> So if German is en vogue already, I'd propose
"Apache
>> Leitstand"
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> [1],
>> > >>>>>>>>>> which
>> > >>>>>>>>>> means "control room". I think it would
make also a nice name
>> > when
>> > >>>>>>>>>> pronounced in English. This of course
only works if the GUI is
>> > an
>> > >>>>>>>>>> important
>> > >>>>>>>>>> piece of the project, which is the
case if I understood
>> > correctly.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>> > >>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> [1]
>> > >>>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Leitstand<
>> > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Leitstand<
>> > http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leitstand>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 3:23 AM, Olivier
Lamy <
>> olamy@apache.org
>> > >
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> So It looks we have more interested
folks.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> But before starting the vote I'd
like to find an other name
>> for
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> project.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Someone proposed "Baldur" or "Balder"
(note, It's a popular
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> germanic
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> god). So as a French guy this proposition
looks to be rude
>> for
>> > me
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>> :-).
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> More seriously, this name doesn't hurt me.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> If any other propositions, it's
time to speak.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Cheers
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Olivier
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> On 16 September 2013 08:25, Tammo
van Lessen
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> <tvanlessen@gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Am 15.09.2013 15:35 schrieb "Romain
Manni-Bucau" <
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> rmannibucau@gmail.com
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> :
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Angular is great but i
hope well keep extensibility
>> possible
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> without
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> js.
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> In
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> all case well get at least
a thread on it to discuss about
>> the
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> stack we
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> want and well use ;)
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>> Looking forward to that
discussion ;) I'd prefer
>> progressive
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> enhancement
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> over SPAs in this context as well. Or even http://roca-style.org
>> .
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>> Tammo
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> --
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Olivier Lamy
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> Ecetera: http://ecetera.com.au
>> > >>>>>>>>>>> http://twitter.com/olamy | http://linkedin.com/in/olamy
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