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From "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <>
Subject Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Date Sat, 11 May 2013 19:40:01 GMT
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From: Joseph Schaefer <>
Reply-To: "" <>
Date: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:24 AM
To: "" <>
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

>I firmly believe our priority in mentoring podlings is to instill
>self-governance as early as is feasible, and the proven way to accomplish
>that task is to identify suitable members of the podling and elect them
>to the IPMC so they are fully empowered to do it.  Every other approach
>is suboptimal.

And I fully agree with Joe, it's just that I don't think we that the IPMC
is the body to elect them too -- elect them to the incoming
podling/probationary TLP's own committee, which contains ASF members (at
least 3) to watch them, and make them report out as normal projects do.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

>On May 11, 2013, at 1:09 PM, Alan Cabrera <> wrote:
>> On May 11, 2013, at 7:33 AM, Joseph Schaefer <>
>>> Frankly I find the notion that the board will do a better job of
>>> these projects than the IPMC to be batshit insane, but that's just me.
>>> We need manpower, and there is plenty of that available amongst the
>>> volunteers who actively participate in these projects.  Let's just do
>>> what's easiest for once and promote these folks to the IPMC in order
>>> to get the job done right.  It's a proven model that we need to stop
>>> fighting.
>> Yes, shuttling the kids off the the grandparents is not going to solve
>>anything.  If individuals on the board have the bandwidth to help they
>>should come over here. There's nothing specific about the auspices of
>>the board that would improve the situation.
>> I personally think that we have "almost" enough people to mentor.  I
>>think that the burnout comes from our constant churning of policy and
>>lack of tooling to make mundane tasks easier.
>> For example, maybe
>> better reminders for reports
>> automatic nudging of mentors who have not signed reports
>> dead pilot buttons to detect inactive mentors (Is it called a dead
>>pilot button)
>> maybe a standard to podling releases to make vetting easier - i.e.
>>apply tooling
>> changes/additions to vetting procedures taking place outside of release
>>votes. (ok not a tooling issue)
>> Regards,
>> Alan
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