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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Date Mon, 06 May 2013 11:03:50 GMT

I consider that proposal adopted, and I'm looking to build on it, by
adding a few specifics. I plan to ask for helpers to ensure that every
project has a Champion, for starts.


On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (398J)
<> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
> Sorry but what are we discussing that's different from formalizing
> the role of the Champion, this thread originally started by Bertrand,
> and seconded by me and numerous others [1]?
> Cheers,
> Chris
> [1]
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Upayavira <>
> Reply-To: "" <>
> Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:43 PM
> To: "" <>
> Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
>>Having read your wiki post, I find it a simple, considered upping of the
>>game, which I think would be worth the effort of trying, especially as
>>the mini-reports don't get to the board unless there are issues. There
>>really could do with being a little more 'cost' to being a podling, or a
>>mentor for that matter, and this proposal moves gently in that
>>If folks approve, we'll need to seek champions for all existing
>>podlings, and decide what to do about those for which we cannot identify
>>On Mon, May 6, 2013, at 02:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt.
>>> In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if
>>> those discussions drove some of us to distraction.
>>> A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote:
>>> The TL;DR version of this is:
>>> 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role
>>> 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month
>>> As the person responsible for filing the report, it seems to me that I
>>> could, with some justification,  ask the Champions and mentors to please
>>> comply with these ideas, with the goal of having a more accurate picture
>>> to
>>> present. However, I'd rather seek a consensus for these, or something
>>> like
>>> them, as a formal procedure.
>>> Note that I labelled this thread [META DISCUSS]. I invite people with
>>> views
>>> on these ideas to start a thread or threads as appropriate. I would ask
>>> people, as a favor to me and others, not to use these ideas as a
>>> launchpad
>>> 'let's radically restructure instead.' These will reach a consensus or
>>> not,
>>> and other proposals will reach a consensus or not, but I submit that it
>>> is
>>> easier on us all to deal with them one-at-a-time.
>>> --benson
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