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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Date Sat, 11 May 2013 12:40:12 GMT
I'm not going to ask the May board meeting anything. There's no
consensus of this community on 'probationary projects', and, more to
the point, there are a host of details required to make that a viable
proposal and no one has filled them in. As I wrote in the report, I
plan to have a discussion with the board in June if we aren't making

A real experiment with 'probationary projects' would have to model the
entire process of a new project launching with  _no IPMC_ to
participate in any way. Taking a proposal that has been groomed and
vetted at the IPMC and then launching the resulting project to the
board is purely an experiment in board supervision. I'm not going to
bring the board a proposal to increase their workload based on my
personal judgement, and there's no consensus here, today, that it's a
good idea, since there are several people who are eloquently opposed.

My personal thought is this: new project creation is not a 'project',
it's a function of the Foundation. If the committee currently
constituted by the board to handle this isn't working well enough, and
can't agree on what to do, it is an issue for the board to consider.
The board could decide to keep what we are, arguments and all. It
could constitute a small (and thus consensus-prone) committee to
survey the terrain and make a recommendation. It could tell the whiney
VP to JFDI -- make some decisions and get on with it. (Consensus is
desirable, but read one of the board resolutions that installs a VP.)

On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 2:39 AM, ant elder <> wrote:
> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 5:33 PM, Eric Johnson <> wrote:
>> If this was a software project, and the appropriate answer was unknown, they
>> you might apply a "lean startup" approach, and figure out how to run tests
>> to see which way works best.
>> Given the number of incubating projects, should be easy to run some
>> experiments. Then you just need to build up some consensus on how to run the
>> experiments. And how to evaluate the results. Essential to establish some
>> metrics that will correlate with success. Then run the experiments for a
>> while (three months, six months?). At the end, you'll have actual data that
>> will inform a decision.
>> Eric.
> +1 for experimenting with some new approaches.
> Several people have been in support of the board managed poddlings or
> probationary TLPs, lets try that. Ask at the board meeting next week
> if the board would support the experiment and if so just pick half a
> dozen existing poddlings to try it.
>    ...ant
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