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From ant elder <>
Subject Re: Vote on personal matters: majority vote vs consensus
Date Wed, 27 Mar 2013 15:54:16 GMT
On Wed, Mar 27, 2013 at 11:55 AM, Benson Margulies
<> wrote:

> Or it might 'work', but some might feel that this large,
> diffuse, group, operating by majority rules is either inconsistent with
> Apache policy or a bad example for the podlings.

Thats more how i see it. Using consensus instead of majority votes is
one of the main things that makes the ASF special, so we should avoid
changing from that if we can, for both those reasons you suggest. And
there is nothing that needs this changed presently so IMHO its not
necessary to change anything.

> I'd like to see us find more
> incremental changes that help further

Ok, i propose we have an "experiment" [1] where we try having a mentor
or two who are not PMC members. Have some other experienced mentors
helping to make sure nothing unfixable can go wrong, and just see how
it goes for a while, reporting each month with the status.

Maybe it will fail and we'll know not to try that again, but i think
and hope it should work ok. If it does work ok then changing to make
this more common would avoid a lot of the times were we need to make
new not well known people PMC members or have these debates,  which
solves part of the problem here.

If that works then there are some further small incremental changes we
can make which will also help with reasons for people needing to join
the PMC, and those will help with the PMC size and disparity issues.

Wouldn't a small experiment like this be worth trying before we drop
something as fundamental as using consensus?


[1] We tried a similar "experiment" with the change back to allow
poddlings to vote for their own committers again which was similarly
controversial before it was tried -

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