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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive
Date Thu, 14 Feb 2013 01:28:49 GMT
I added a summary, please correct as needed, since I should button the
report up tomorrow.

On Wed, Feb 13, 2013 at 7:10 AM, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
> Chris,
> The obvious compromise is to ask them to report the vote result as it
> happened, it seems to me, -1's and all. But where do you think that
> they are reporting anything? There's nothing happening here at the
> board level. There's no board resolution needed for a Hive committer
> to type 'svn cp' on the hcatalog tree, nor for the Hive PMC to set up
> some worrisome umbrellaesque structure of internal bylaws. When the
> Hive PMC reports this after the fact, the board might response.
> Having written all this, please feel free to add whatever version of
> this you would like to the general remarks of the February report wiki
> page, where I will leave it unscathed.
> --benson
> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:49 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <> wrote:
>> Classifying this as a procedural vote gives the easy out of majority rule.
>> It is the IPMC's recommendation to the board that the board then evaluates
>> to become a TLP or not. Based on Benson's later email he is shucking all
>> of that to the board. Benson, I would hope you consider -1s to be VETO in
>> this case, or at the very least, noting that in your report should you
>> still bull ahead and recommend it. BTW for everyone's benefit, go look up
>> the # of times that people -1 graduations. It's VERY rare, so I hope this
>> an indication that there is something seriously up here. I have nothing
>> against Hive or HCatalog -- I simply am trying to intimate this will be
>> trouble down the road.
>> In the end, yes, it's the board, but it's on the recommendation of the
>> IPMC. It would be pretty lame if  the IPMC made the recommendation to
>> create HCatalog as a part of Hive per the requested method and they didn't
>> mention the 2 objections (mine which I strongly consider a VETO) and Chris
>> D.'s -0.
>> Chris
>> On 2/12/13 5:14 PM, "Alan Gates" <> wrote:
>>>So I'm not clear what the next step is here.  The 72 hours have passed,
>>>we have 5 +1 votes, 2 -1 votes, and a -0.
>>>Based on this page this
>>>appears to be a procedural vote so it just requires a majority.
>>>Are we done or is it traditional to allow more time for the vote when the
>>>issue is contentious?
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