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From Greg Stein <>
Subject No more existing-TLP graduations (was: [PROPOSAL] Curator for the Apache Incubator)
Date Tue, 26 Feb 2013 21:52:25 GMT
I concur with Chris, and want to strengthen/meta the point. The Incubator
should not be used for projects which are intended to become part of an
existing TLP. The Incubator *creates* Apache-style communities. But... Stop.

For these, we don't want a separate/new community. They are supposed to be
*part of* the existing TLP. Thus, they have no business here. They should
start within the target TLP.

I'd like to suggest two changes:

1) Incubation is for new TLPs only. Turn off the "graduate-into-TLP" option.

2) Move the "short form" IP clearance to Legal Affairs, to clarify that
we're only talking IP, rather than other concerns.

On Feb 26, 2013 4:19 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (388J)" <> wrote:

> Hi Luciano,
> On 2/26/13 12:03 PM, "Luciano Resende" <> wrote:
> >>
> >
> >
> >+1, We don't need to discuss exit criteria before entering incubation.
> Actually we do and I can. Else I'm pretty useless on the IPMC.
> I just went through an experience where my objection/VOTE didn't really
> mean anything in a situation that I didn't think was correct (see
> HCatalog/Hive). I will be darned sure to discuss exit criteria now as I
> wish I would have paid attention and done so then, would have saved hassle
> all around.
> >And if the Zookeeper PMC wants to adopt Curator as part of the
> >Zookeeper project (see distinction from sub-project language, which is
> >what the Board does not favor),
> >they can work with the community and
> >do it....
> Define "working with the community".
> My definition of that doesn't include entering the Incubator.
> My definition of that means, Pat or someone else on the ZK PMC starts
> getting Curator patches and/or committing them and Jordan or Jay become
> Committers/PMC members on ZK because of those contributions (and have
> their ICLAs on file, etc.)
> >Having said that, the exit criteria should really be an
> >option instead of being dictated.
> I'm questioning "graduation" to an existing TLP (and not as a new one) as
> a valid exit criteria of the Incubator. I don't think it makes sense.
> Cheers,
> Chris
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