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From Christian Grobmeier <>
Subject Re: PPMC versus commiter
Date Wed, 19 Dec 2012 13:02:11 GMT
On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
> A recent vote thread on the private list led Christian Grobmeier to
> wonder why a podling was simultaneously proposing someone for PPMC and
> committer status.
> A few bits of background:
> 1. TLP's vary in their behavior in this regard. Some maintain a
> committer!=PMC distinction, and some do not.

I follow this:
The projects I am involved do distinct. not sure on the majority. I
take the link as recommendation though

> 2. Historically, podlings have *not* maintained this distinction, but
> have waited for graduation to sort  out the initial PMC members.

Why do they behave differently than later as TLD?

> 3. Legally/organizationally, since PPMC members don't have binding
> votes, there's not much practical effect of making a distinction. At
> the end of the day, only Incubator PMC members have binding votes.

The podling is here to learn about how TLDs work. I consider it practice.

> 4. Christian pointed out that the Open Office podling found the
> process of sorting out the PMC/committer distinction to be painful.
> With all respect, I don't see the OO podling as typical. It's sheer
> size put it in a different category, and I for one do not feel
> inclined to tell podlings to start keeping PPMC and committer distinct
> on the basis of that history.

I have not said we must make it a rule. Actually I am thinking every
podling can do it as they want to have it; they should just know about
the link i sent above. When podling members know about the differences
and still want to keep it that way, its fine. But they need to know.

I am not here to make up rules. For my taste there are already too many.

Sending links like above and telling from my experiences is what I
consider "mentorship" too. After all, I am listening to many oldtimers
here when they speak from their experiences.


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