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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: PPMC versus commiter
Date Wed, 19 Dec 2012 18:52:12 GMT
Similarly, I would not hold AOO as a typical podling - both the size, 
complexity, and very, ahem, rich past history and personalities had a 
large influence on their growth.

The real issue is: how do we clearly express these two possibilities for 
podlings and potential donors/contributors to better understand them? 
I.e. the concept of either c == (P)PMC or c != (P)PMC  (or even P=NP).

Even better: is there a general consensus on either the IPMC recommended 
best practice, or, failing that, on a discussion page that lays out what 
kinds of things a podling community would want to evaluate and think 
about when they are trying to make their decision on their policies?

This is another place where we don't need a rule - but we do need to 
better explain in docs what the best practices (in this case, either 
one) for Apache projects are.

- Shane, personally for c != PMC, because it makes it easier to invite 
people earlier

On 12/19/2012 7:43 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> A recent vote thread on the private list led Christian Grobmeier to
> wonder why a podling was simultaneously proposing someone for PPMC and
> committer status.
> A few bits of background:
> 1. TLP's vary in their behavior in this regard. Some maintain a
> committer!=PMC distinction, and some do not.
> 2. Historically, podlings have *not* maintained this distinction, but
> have waited for graduation to sort  out the initial PMC members.
> 3. Legally/organizationally, since PPMC members don't have binding
> votes, there's not much practical effect of making a distinction. At
> the end of the day, only Incubator PMC members have binding votes.
> 4. Christian pointed out that the Open Office podling found the
> process of sorting out the PMC/committer distinction to be painful.
> With all respect, I don't see the OO podling as typical. It's sheer
> size put it in a different category, and I for one do not feel
> inclined to tell podlings to start keeping PPMC and committer distinct
> on the basis of that history.
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