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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: Incubation state transitions and stuck projects (Was: February report review)
Date Sun, 15 Jul 2012 09:02:56 GMT
This is great stuff. It implies the ComDev PPMC ought to focus on the low
diversity trap while Incubator focuses on more process driven IP, release,

Of course this means we should figure our exactly what "low diversity" is.
As discussed recently low diversity is not a problem if the project can
demonstrate it is open to newcomers.

Given I committed to find a way for ComDev to support the Incubation
process do you think this is a starting point?

Perhaps those of us at OSCON can meet up during the Apache Barcamp time to
explore options. I'm around on Tuesday and possibly some of Monday. Also
around during the week.


>From a mobile device - forgive errors and terseness
On Jul 15, 2012 1:16 AM, "Jukka Zitting" <> wrote:

> Hi,
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Jukka Zitting <>
> wrote:
> > My suggestion is to ask the podlings now in category 2 to report again
> > in May on their progress on the identified blockers. If there's been
> > no measurable progress by then, we'll dig deeper to see what we can
> > do. Podlings reporting in other months can be picked up for a similar
> > oversight cycle over the coming months. By July we should then have a
> > pretty accurate record of progress throughout the entire Incubator,
> > including a clear list of podlings that are stuck and need help.
> Following up on this, here's a quick graph I put together when
> preparing for this month's board report:
> The graph shows how podlings have moved from one (subjective)
> categorization to another (or to graduation/retirement) between their
> two scheduled reports in the February-July time frame (I'm only
> counting projects that were already past their first three months at
> the Incubator). The edge width is proportional to the number of
> podlings that made that particular "state change". The Graphviz source
> of the graph is included at the end of this message.
> The overall picture looks pretty good. We have strong movement towards
> graduation, and so far no regressions from the "ready to graduate"
> state back to low activity or diversity.
> Here's the list of projects that stayed at the same category from one
> report to the next:
>   IP clearance:      Amber
>   No release:        Any23, Bloodhound, Cordova, JSPWiki
>   Low activity:      Ambari, AWF, EasyAnt, Kitty, Nuvem, PhotArk, Kato
>   Low diversity:     Airavata, Bigtop, Chukwa, Tashi
>   Ready to graduate: Flume, Lucene.NET, NPanday
> The IP clearance issue in Amber seems to be finally resolved ( LEGAL-134).
> The release issues are being resolved, as Any23 has just passed a
> release vote and I've seen good progress towards an Apache release in
> both Cordova and JSPWiki. I don't know the release status in
> Bloodhound.
> The low activity projects remain a problem though there are a few
> projects who've managed to escape that trap. For the rest we need to
> find solutions. Kato was already retired, and AWF and Kitty getting
> there. EasyAnt might go the subproject route, and PhotArk has been
> showing increased activity lately. I don't know what's going on in
> Ambari or Nuvem.
> The low diversity "state" is a bit vague catchall category for
> projects that don't yet feel ready to graduate. I'm not too concerned
> if some projects take a bit longer there as long as they don't regress
> to low activity. Once a project has hit the "low diversity" category,
> chances are quite high that it'll end up graduating.
> The podlings that were "ready to graduate" for more than three months
> are a bit mixed story. Flume already graduated and Lucene.NET is just
> about to, but NPanday looks to be in trouble as activity there seems
> to have plummeted since May for some reason.
> BR,
> Jukka Zitting
> ----
> /*
>   IP clearance      -> IP clearance:      Amber
>   IP clearance      -> No release:        Openmeetings
>   No release        -> No release:        Any23, Bloodhound, Cordova,
> JSPWiki
>   No release        -> Low diversity:     Mesos
>   No release        -> Ready to graduate: Clerezza, DirectMemory,
> OpenOffice, Stanbol
>   Low activity      -> Low activity:      Ambari, AWF, EasyAnt, Kitty,
> Nuvem, PhotArk, Kato
>   Low activity      -> Retire:            Kalumet, Zeta Components
>   Low activity      -> No release:        Celix, VXQuery
>   Low activity      -> Low diversity:     SIS
>   Low activity      -> Ready to graduate: Wink
>   Low diversity     -> Low activity:      Droids, ODF Toolkit
>   Low diversity     -> Low diversity:     Airavata, Bigtop, Chukwa, Tashi
>   Low diversity     -> No release:        S4, Wave
>   Low diversity     -> Ready to graduate: Etch, HCatalog, Isis, Kafka,
> Oozie, VCL, Wookie
>   Low diversity     -> Graduate:          Hama, MRUnit
>   Ready to graduate -> Ready to graduate: Flume, Lucene.NET, NPanday
>   Ready to graduate -> Graduate:          Accumulo, Jena, ManifoldCF,
> OpenNLP, RAT, Rave, Sqoop
> */
> digraph Incubator {
>   /* { rank = same; "IP clearance"; "no release"; "low activity"; "low
> diversity" } */
>   { rank = same; "graduated"; "retired" }
>   "IP clearance" -> "IP clearance" [penwidth=1];
>   "IP clearance" -> "no release" [penwidth=1];
>   "no release" -> "no release" [penwidth=4];
>   "no release" -> "low diversity" [penwidth=1];
>   "no release" -> "ready to graduate" [penwidth=4];
>   "low activity" -> "low activity" [penwidth=7];
>   "low activity" -> "retired" [penwidth=3];
>   "low activity" -> "no release" [penwidth=2];
>   "low activity" -> "low diversity" [penwidth=1];
>   "low activity" -> "ready to graduate" [penwidth=1];
>   "low diversity" -> "low diversity"  [penwidth=4];
>   "low diversity" -> "low activity"  [penwidth=2];
>   "low diversity" -> "no release" [penwidth=2];
>   "low diversity" -> "ready to graduate" [penwidth=7];
>   "low diversity" -> "graduated" [penwidth=2];
>   "ready to graduate" -> "ready to graduate" [penwidth=3];
>   "ready to graduate" -> "graduated" [penwidth=7];
> }
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