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From Rob Weir <>
Subject Re: Is there an ASF license for Apple's "Apple Developer Program" ?
Date Fri, 06 Apr 2012 15:17:34 GMT
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 1:43 PM, William A. Rowe Jr. <> wrote:
> On 3/31/2012 8:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
>> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:
>>> There isn't (to my knowledge), I can imagine an increasing number of
>>> projects wanting such a thing though. Unless someone tells me I'm
>>> wrong and we already have one would you be interested in seeing if
>>> Apple are open to such an arrangement?
>> I'd recommend first very careful review of the licensing terms first, on
>> legal-discuss, to ensure that we're comfortable with any restrictions use
>> of their SDK brings.  This would also help with other potential
>> contributors who might have iOS apps they would like to contribute, but
>> whose current analysis suggests that the Apple terms are incompatible.
> nonsense
> These are the very same SDK tools that these very same Apache Committers already
> use on a daily basis.

The issue, of course, is not what you do with the Apple SDK in the
privacy of your own bedroom.  The question is about creating
dependencies for releases and the restrictions these bring to
downstream consumers.    If you want to just say those are questions
for the individual PMC's to resolve, then I'd agree, but I then note
that the IPMC is the PMC for podlings, so my point is in order.

> The only modulo here is that some have access through work.  Some purchase their
> own access.  Some have been comp'ed subscriptions individually or through other
> organizations.
> This simply makes the same tool for a committer free or discounted from what
> they already paid.  For example, I was an MSDN subscriber through work for some
> years, as a consultant for some years, took a break from my subscription on some
> other years.  Now, I'm using a subscription donated for ASF committers.  Nothing
> changed.
> Sure, you can have a discussion about whether some WizBang API introduces new
> licensing restrictions, platform lock-in, etc.  But we are NOT GOING TO BEGIN
> auditing the Oracle Developer Suite, the Microsoft Developer Network, the Apple
> Developer Network, the IBM HP VMware Google RedHat Citrix Adobe Amazon (OH GOD
> MAKE IT STOP!!!) developer tool program for every possible future quirk.
> There are real questions to be asked about specific tools and specific api's in
> the open source and closed source world and the projects which are affected need
> to do their homework and work with ASF legal to resolve ambiguity.  But any of
> these examples includes hundreds of tools and api's and sdk's which have no
> intersection with an ASF code base.
> If Jim works out some connections for ASF <> Apple and you use Apple then enjoy
> that perk, and otherwise, please EIGNORE?  Thanks :)
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