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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: Extraordinary OpenOffice security patch (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "April2012" by robweir)
Date Thu, 12 Apr 2012 07:37:33 GMT
On 12 April 2012 07:48, Dave Fisher <> wrote:


> Sorry, I can't remain mute, but I offended anyone, sorry, but this was wrongly done.
I don't know a better way....

As one of the "inner circle" I am not offended. All your points are
valid. Thank you for sharing them.

This was the first and, in all likelihood the last time such an
unusual circumstance will arise. There is no right or wrong way of
handling these things.

Had we included x then y would have felt excluded, this is what we are
seeing here. However, the line must be drawn somewhere.

If there is a problem from the project perspective then this should be
dealt with in the ooo-dev list. the PPMC has an appointed security
team who are empowered to handle these circumstances for the PPMC, if
a member of the PPMC does not like the way this was handled then they
should petition to become a member of that security team.

>From an IPMC perspective please note that the decision for in-out was
not a matter of trust, it was a matter of minimum necessary oversight
to solve the problem in the way the ooo-security, advised by the ASF
security  team, wanted to do so.

The only non-security people involved were myself (as an active mentor
and initial contact for the PPMC security team), Shane (due to
potential branding impact) and Joe (for infrastructure support). VP
legal was also involved via the legal-internal list for obvious
reasons. Noone else was *needed* and so noone else was involved. Under
normal circumstances IPMC chair would be included, but we effectively
had none at this point, officially it was Noel, but Noel was being
attacked from all sides at this point and his style of leadership was
to have people just get on with it. If Jukka were chair with his
active leadership style things might have been different.

In retrospect I believe a valid argument for involving all mentors can
be made and, if I were involved in such a situation again I would
probably want to do so. Having said that, if I saw someone handle it
the same way as this situation was handled I would not be objecting.
There is no right way.


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