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From "William A. Rowe Jr." <>
Subject Re: Is there an ASF license for Apple's "Apple Developer Program" ?
Date Tue, 03 Apr 2012 17:43:01 GMT
On 3/31/2012 8:43 AM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 7:20 AM, Ross Gardler <>wrote:
>> There isn't (to my knowledge), I can imagine an increasing number of
>> projects wanting such a thing though. Unless someone tells me I'm
>> wrong and we already have one would you be interested in seeing if
>> Apple are open to such an arrangement?
> I'd recommend first very careful review of the licensing terms first, on
> legal-discuss, to ensure that we're comfortable with any restrictions use
> of their SDK brings.  This would also help with other potential
> contributors who might have iOS apps they would like to contribute, but
> whose current analysis suggests that the Apple terms are incompatible.


These are the very same SDK tools that these very same Apache Committers already
use on a daily basis.

The only modulo here is that some have access through work.  Some purchase their
own access.  Some have been comp'ed subscriptions individually or through other

This simply makes the same tool for a committer free or discounted from what
they already paid.  For example, I was an MSDN subscriber through work for some
years, as a consultant for some years, took a break from my subscription on some
other years.  Now, I'm using a subscription donated for ASF committers.  Nothing

Sure, you can have a discussion about whether some WizBang API introduces new
licensing restrictions, platform lock-in, etc.  But we are NOT GOING TO BEGIN
auditing the Oracle Developer Suite, the Microsoft Developer Network, the Apple
Developer Network, the IBM HP VMware Google RedHat Citrix Adobe Amazon (OH GOD
MAKE IT STOP!!!) developer tool program for every possible future quirk.

There are real questions to be asked about specific tools and specific api's in
the open source and closed source world and the projects which are affected need
to do their homework and work with ASF legal to resolve ambiguity.  But any of
these examples includes hundreds of tools and api's and sdk's which have no
intersection with an ASF code base.

If Jim works out some connections for ASF <> Apple and you use Apple then enjoy
that perk, and otherwise, please EIGNORE?  Thanks :)

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