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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] - Packages renaming and backward compatibility (was: Re: [VOTE] Graduate Sqoop podling from Apache Incubator)
Date Thu, 08 Mar 2012 16:05:12 GMT
On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 2:31 AM, Alex Karasulu <> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 3:03 AM, Leo Simons <> wrote:
>> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 3:00 PM, Benson Margulies <>
>> wrote:
>> > Leo, are you out there?
>> Hmm? Oh, this again...
>> Having company names or trademarks in java namespaces is a pretty
>> stupid convention. It gets us mess like this...
>> There is no policy that incubating java projects must rename to use an
>> org.apache namespace. There has never been such a policy. We don't
>> need such a policy. There's (typically/usually/knock on wood) no
>> legal/trademark issue. There's ample precedent of keeping 'legacy'
>> namespaces around 'a while' for backwards compatibility. And that's
>> fine.
>> At the same time, (incubating) projects should definitely carefully
>> consider whether it is reasonable to change their namespaces, how to
>> go about it, etc. Incubation can be a good time and/or trigger to make
>> such changes, especially for projects for whom backwards compatibility
>> isn't a big issue (yet) or that are doing a major revision as part of
>> coming here.
>> With my incubator PMC hat on, I like to see that a project community
>> has thought this situation through, discussed it on their dev list,
>> and got to some kind of consensus on what to do. I'd imagine such
>> plans will include a strategy for eventually having all their code end
>> up in an org.apache namespace or at least not in a com.<company>
>> namespace.
>> I'm sure other people said all this already, apologies for the noise,
>> but hey, I got prodded, so... :-)
>> cheerio,
>> Leo
> Not trying to beat a dead horse to death here but I'm starting to think
> that we might have had some basis to these package namespace issues. The
> recent private Lucene-Commons threads show what can happen if this policy
> is that hmmm liberal. Don't know if that's the right choice of words.

Alex, there's an educational opportunity out there, yes.

> Best,
> Alex

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