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From Mark Struberg <>
Subject Re: Etch status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by michaelfitzner)
Date Mon, 12 Mar 2012 10:05:53 GMT
Not sure about you community worries, but from a far distance it looks like new committers
even got added lately.
Looks not too bad for me...
At a certain point in time a project is mature. Guess etch has reached this point and should
have long since graduated imo.


----- Original Message -----
> From: Martijn Dashorst <>
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> Cc: 
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:45 AM
> Subject: Re: Etch status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012" by michaelfitzner)
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM, Jukka Zitting <> 
> wrote:
>>  On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 8:56 PM, Jukka Zitting 
> <> wrote:
>>>  More generally, looking over the last quarter in Etch I see ongoing
>>>  technical work mostly by Michael Fitzner and Martin Veith but only
>>>  occasional input from others and not much focus on community-building.
>>>  Do you have plans on how to increase community activity and diversity,
>>>  or are you happy with the status quo?
>>  Any thoughts on this from Etch mentors or the PPMC?
> Etch is a slow moving community. AFAICT the code is mostly done, but
> actively maintained. The space Etch operates in is quite crowded, so
> community raising efforts are difficult. The engineers working on such
> code are usually very busy doing other stuff rather than improving the
> library.
> I've tried to contact the most recent voted-in committer, but he has
> yet to respond, and do actual work on Etch.
> The other committers and PPMC members have either jobs that focus on
> implementing things other than directly working with Etch, meaning
> that Etch development only happens when they return to a part that
> uses it. For example the suitable name search is currently undergoing,
> but finding time to complete it is difficult.
> Trying to build a community around a networking stack is difficult,
> especially this one with its history. The original company open
> sourcing Etch disbanded the development team when no diversity was
> present, blowing up the project. I don't blame the company: they have
> to do what is best for them. Unfortunately it did severe damage to the
> community.
> IMO they should have a great community opportunity in the automotive
> industry (the active contributors are from a large 3-letter car
> manufacturer in Germany). My expectation is that this industry (in
> Germany) could expand the community with 3 or 4 committers. Raising
> awareness by publishing an article about Etch in automotive
> engineering magazines should help. I don't expect miracles to happen,
> but if one or two companies start looking into etch, the diversity and
> activity might just increase a bit. I've asked the guys to try to
> write one or two articles in German magazines to raise awareness.
> Unfortunately that has taken quite some time, but what I hear is that
> they are in the final stages.
> I was hoping that the new committer would become active, and that
> graduating Etch would be around the corner. It appears that we need
> other new blood to invigorate the community.
> Martijn
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