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From Karl Wright <>
Subject Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)
Date Fri, 03 Feb 2012 17:47:48 GMT
+1 on this.  Work the bugs out before everyone transitions.


On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Jukka Zitting <> wrote:
> Hi,
> [Forking a new thread thread to make this easier to track.]
> On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:22 PM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> <> wrote:
> As already mentioned by others, instead of deconstructing everything
> in one go, wouldn't it make more sense to gradually shift into a new
> way of doing things?
> You're proposing that podlings should start as full TLPs (with ASF
> members on board for mentoring) right from the beginning. Instead of
> changing the rules on all podlings at the same time, how about we try
> this out by giving interested podlings (or new proposals) this "direct
> to TLP" option?
> If that works out better than the current Incubator model, we can stop
> accepting more old-style podlings and just direct them into TLPs right
> from the beginning. Meanwhile any existing podlings should have a
> chance to graduate under the existing rules unless they rather choose
> to use this "direct to TLP" option.
> If as a result there's no more podlings in the Incubator, that's IMHO
> then the right time to shut down the IPMC, not before. And if it turns
> out that the proposed new model doesn't work as expected, we still
> have the current processes and structures to fall back to.
> The current Incubator model certainly has flaws, but it also does a
> lot of things right. There are good reasons for things like the extra
> publicity and release constraints placed on podlings, and the proposed
> model doesn't address how such restrictions would still work without
> the incubator. I note that many of the original constraints of the
> Incubator (no releases, etc.) turned out to be unnecessarily strict in
> practice, so it could well be that everything will work out smoothly
> also without the extra red tape. But small, reversible steps into such
> unknown territory are clearly preferable to major leaps of faith.
> BR,
> Jukka Zitting
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