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From "William A. Rowe Jr." <>
Subject Re: Evolution instead of a revolution (Was: Time to vote the chair?)
Date Sat, 04 Feb 2012 01:27:06 GMT
On 2/3/2012 7:19 PM, Ross Gardler wrote:
> On 4 February 2012 01:06, Ralph Goers <> wrote:
>> The main problem I see, and what Joe seems to complain about a lot, is that mentors
seem to fail at mentoring.  Creating a
>> project that reports to the board whose mentors stop mentoring just pushes the problem
to the board, which is IMO not what they
>> should be having to deal with.
> I agree. This proposal in its current form solves on problem (IPMC
> inefficiencies) and moves another the problem (inadequate mentoring),


The existing problem remains the revised problem.  Any solution applicable
to the IPMC intervening in a dysfunctional PPMC applies to the Champion and
VP, Incubator intervening in a dysfunctional PMC, Incubating.

Except that the board is likely to be much less tolerant and much quicker
to disband a failed effort that the motley band of IPMC has been.

The problem set is identical, and this proposal does not address it any
better or worse than the current committee structure.

The problem varies in one dimension only; in the IPMC, the general@ comes
to the rescue of absent mentors.  That won't be possible in the revised
structure without the rescuers signing up and committing to mentor the
Project, Incubating as PMC members.  And since there are many complaints
about insufficient commitment, this is probably not a bad thing.

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