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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: Earned autonomy
Date Mon, 06 Feb 2012 16:23:50 GMT
Hi, Ate,

On Mon, Feb 06, 2012 at 02:33:11AM +0100, Ate Douma wrote:
> What worries me a lot about the recent proposals, not only the text 
> above, is that project autonomy seems to be measured foremost by just 
> doing proper releases.
> To me, Apache == Community over code.

The case I have been trying to make is that there are community benefits when
a podling is allowed to earn progressively increasing autonomy over its

For what it's worth, the poor state of the Incubator release system has had
negative impact on our podling's ability to recruit and retain new
contributors.  When you're accustomed to the instantaneous gratification of
releasing to Github, CPAN, or, coming into the Incubator and
seeing that it is routine for release candidates to be delayed for *weeks*
awaiting three IPMC votes is shocking.

If you were trying to pick which open source project to spend your time on,
why would you want to stick around an organization that has so much trouble
getting its act together?

Marvin Humphrey

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