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From sebb <>
Subject Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions
Date Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:14:12 GMT
On 22 September 2011 14:03, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> On 9/20/2011 8:18 PM, sebb wrote:
>> On 20 September 2011 18:50, Robert Burrell Donkin
>> <>  wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>>> <>  wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>>> <>  wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst
>>>>> <>  wrote:
> ...snip...
>> If there is no Champion, who is responsible for driving the process
>> forward initially?
> Bingo.  The reason for a Champion IMO is to have a single person willing to
> coordinate and drive the process.  Call it "First Mentor among Mentors" if
> you like, call it whatever.
> But to me Champion (as a word meaning) is the person who champions the idea:
> the one person who will push and organize and drive the rest of the group to
> accept the idea and signup to help the idea.  They don't need to be coders
> or even plan to work personally on the code; they're more the one voice that
> gets a number of other volunteers to commit to also agreeing to help the
> project join and move forward.
> I think it should be mandatory, but in most cases it should be simple to
> fill.  Either the existing team behind the proposal already has someone with
> experience in Apache stuff, or there's some mentor who's clearly willing to
> step up to be champion.
>> Once the PPMC is up and running, that becomes less of an issue.
> Correct - hopefully at that point the PPMC and mentors together have enough
> of a commitment and working relationship that they can succeed together.
>> Do PPMCs have chairs?
>> If not, then maybe the Champion fulfils that role until eventual
>> graduation; otherwise they fulfil the role until the PPMC elects a
>> chair.
> I really thought PPMCs have chairs!  Otherwise how does the Incubator PMC
> ensure that podlings report on time?

In which case, maybe the podling status pages need to include the current chair.

I was going to suggest adding the Champion to the status page, but
that would only apply if the Champion role is still relevant once the
podling has been created.
It seems it probably is not.

> Yes, in any healthy community the (P)PMC as a whole can create reports
> together.  But the board looks to the chair (and VP) of a PMC to actually
> get it done.  Likewise, I'd think the Incubator PMC should look to the chair
> (not a VP) of a PPMC to be the person who gets podling reports done.
> And yes, I'm happy with anyone here who wants to work at clarifying the
> incubator documentation.  8-)
> - Shane
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