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From Martijn Dashorst <>
Subject Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions
Date Tue, 20 Sep 2011 15:46:59 GMT
IMO the champion helps clarify the incubator process up to acceptance
of the podling into the incubator. For example the champion for Wicket
was not a singular person, but both Alex Karasulu and Upayavira were
both very instrumental in smoothing our transition into the incubator.

general@ can be very confusing and sometimes even hostile towards new
podlings. Having a champion watching out for the podling is rather


On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:43 PM, Christian Grobmeier
<> wrote:
>>> And thought, if an upcoming podling is deciding to become a TLD it
>>> should ask the board to sponsor it.
>>> Now I have been told from Andrus that this is not the case and usually
>>> the Incubator is sponsoring TLD projects.
>> Yes, as I said on the board list I don't remember the board sponsoring
>> incubating projects recently.
> thanks for repeating it here, b/c i realized i was not subscribed yet
> (fixed it now, but missed your reply)
>>> is the way to have the
>>> Incubator as a sponsor? Just asking? Just adding to the proposal? ...
>> Yes, just add it and people will complain if they see a problem.
> OK will do.
>>> ...If this is the case, then is "Champion" obsolete? Actually I was always
>>> doubting this role a bit....
>> The champion is a person, while the sponsor is a PMC - what makes you
>> think the champion role is obsolete?
> What actually does a Champion do? Docs say he helps with finding a sponsor...
> A project can put the name "Incubator" as a sponsor as you said and
> see what happens. If somebody thinks on general@ a project fits
> perfectly to another one, then he probably says it. Therefore I really
> don't see the need for a role like a champion.
> If you ask me, I would delete the whole champion thing from the docs
> and rephrase the link I sent to: ask an existing project to sponsor
> you or put incubator into the sponsoring section.
> Learning the apache way is what mentors usually help with
> Christian
>> -Bertrand
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