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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: Confusion: Sponsoring entity and Champions
Date Thu, 22 Sep 2011 13:03:34 GMT

On 9/20/2011 8:18 PM, sebb wrote:
> On 20 September 2011 18:50, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <>  wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Christian Grobmeier
>> <>  wrote:
>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
>>> <>  wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2011 at 5:46 PM, Martijn Dashorst
>>>> <>  wrote:

> If there is no Champion, who is responsible for driving the process
> forward initially?

Bingo.  The reason for a Champion IMO is to have a single person willing 
to coordinate and drive the process.  Call it "First Mentor among 
Mentors" if you like, call it whatever.

But to me Champion (as a word meaning) is the person who champions the 
idea: the one person who will push and organize and drive the rest of 
the group to accept the idea and signup to help the idea.  They don't 
need to be coders or even plan to work personally on the code; they're 
more the one voice that gets a number of other volunteers to commit to 
also agreeing to help the project join and move forward.

I think it should be mandatory, but in most cases it should be simple to 
fill.  Either the existing team behind the proposal already has someone 
with experience in Apache stuff, or there's some mentor who's clearly 
willing to step up to be champion.

 > Once the PPMC is up and running, that becomes less of an issue.

Correct - hopefully at that point the PPMC and mentors together have 
enough of a commitment and working relationship that they can succeed 

 > Do PPMCs have chairs?
 > If not, then maybe the Champion fulfils that role until eventual
 > graduation; otherwise they fulfil the role until the PPMC elects a
 > chair.

I really thought PPMCs have chairs!  Otherwise how does the Incubator 
PMC ensure that podlings report on time?

Yes, in any healthy community the (P)PMC as a whole can create reports 
together.  But the board looks to the chair (and VP) of a PMC to 
actually get it done.  Likewise, I'd think the Incubator PMC should look 
to the chair (not a VP) of a PPMC to be the person who gets podling 
reports done.

And yes, I'm happy with anyone here who wants to work at clarifying the 
incubator documentation.  8-)

- Shane

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