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From Kalle Korhonen <>
Subject Re: Apache Rat TLP...?
Date Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:06:10 GMT
Agree that the scope of Rat alone is limited. You mean if Rat proposed
to graduate as Apache Tools (or even Apache Infrastructure Tools)? Rat
could start as the TLP and later become a sub project once other tools
graduate and join Apache Tools as sub projects. Makes sense to me as
there are a lot of other internally developed tools that are not run
as projects.


On Fri, Aug 5, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Robert Burrell Donkin
<> wrote:
> Rat is (now) one of the oldest podlings, and has an unusually high
> proportion of experience Apache contributors. The community and code
> are small (perhaps too small) for a top level project (TLP).
> Rat tools conceptually run downstream from the build in the continuous
> delivery space, assisting comprehension and verification of assembled
> source and binary artifacts but. It is natural also to include
> bindings for various build systems (to catch problems early) and
> generative repair tools within scope. No suitable TLP exists which is
> build system and language agnostic.
> So Rat is in limbo.
> There seems to be quite a number of existing unsatisfied related use
> cases eg [1][2] here at Apache. I suspect that with the arrival of
> OOo, automation is going to become essential and new tools will need
> to be developed in a variety of languages.
> In the podling, there is now a rough consensus that graduating to a
> new TLP would be the right path. Though the community is currently
> small, it could act as a seed for efforts to address these problems
> and grow as a home for these tools.
> But before we start to draw up more detailed proposals, I'd like to
> take some soundings...
> Opinions?
> Robert
> [1]
> [2]
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