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From Dan Haywood <>
Subject Re: Apache Isis: project pre-proposal: any other thoughts?
Date Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:38:32 GMT
Hi all,

I posted this yesterday, and got a couple of very positive reactions 
which was great.  Just wondering if there are any other views?

We do have two mentors, but I'm still hoping that a few more might step 
forward before we formally post our project proposal.  When I spoke to 
Bertrand Delacrataz, he did mention that the incubator could do with a 
few new mentors.  So even if you've not mentored before, perhaps you 
might like to take on that role to help us?  I'm sure there would be 
some sort of meta-mentoring that could be sorted out!?!


> On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:56 AM, Dan Haywood<>  wrote:
>> We're considering proposing a group of related open source projects to the
>> Apache Incubator.  At an unconference a few weekends ago I met and sounded
>> out Bertrand Delacrataz and Lars Eilebrecht, who suggested a brief posting
>> here would be a good first step.
>> So: the Apache Isis (?) project will provide the ability to rapidly develop
>> domain-driven applications.  Built on the Naked Objects framework
>> ( and a number of related sister projects
>> (, it allows full stack apps to be built just by
>> writing pojo domain objects.  Technically, it's somewhat akin to an ORM, but
>> rather than just automatically persisting your objects, it automatically
>> provides all the other necessary layers.  This means that the development
>> goes very very quickly, focusing on the bit that really matters; the
>> business application.
>> One particularly important aspect is the ability to customise the generated
>> UIs.  The framework supports pluggable viewers running either as webapps and
>> RIA, and uses existing libraries such as Apache Wicket to support
>> customisation. The framework as a whole is customisable and provides a
>> plugin architecture to allow the other components to be pluggable.
>> For some time Naked Objects, the framework, has elicited interest from
>> "early adopters", but our community remains small.  We're hoping that Apache
>> will provide a platform by which we can grow our community into the "early
>> majority".  We can demonstrate the commitment to do this (two books have
>> been written on Naked Objects).  Until recently there were just two main
>> committers, both freelancer developers based in the UK.  Since then we have
>> picked up three new committers (in Sweden, USA and South Africa), two
>> directly attributable to the publication of the second of these books in Dec
>> 2009.
>>  From our understanding of the Apache process, our proposal will need some
>> mentors and a sponsor.  Vincent Massol (Maven) has already offered, as has
>> James Carman (Commons).  We're hoping that this post might interest a few
>> more, in which case we'll post a formal project proposal.
>> Thanks for reading this, looking forward to your replies.
>> Dan Haywood
>> Robert Matthews

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