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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Date Sun, 13 Dec 2009 02:42:21 GMT
The Board has in the past condemned "balkanization" of community, and my
take on this situation is exactly that.

This is not "yet another web framework", which often brought forward as
examples that the ASF encourages competition within. Those typically have a
different "angle", "approach" or "metaphor", something making each very
different beasts. But in this case we are talking about "the same spec".
There is no real distinguishing features and huge overlap of commonality.

I think this is a NIH-syndrome in play, in the best case "oh we have the
code working already" and the worst case "we don't like to collaborate with
them", and there is reason to think that that goes for both sides of the

I want to see Chemistry capable to absorb such contribution and collaborate
heavily to bring such codebase in.
And I want to see the people of the OpenCMIS proposal to show that they
indeed can work with others.

Exactly how the merged community goes about with the technical integration
is its own business, but I am worried that the new codebase will not receive
the welcome I hope, the Chemistry base will dominate, and the OpenCMIS
proposer get fed up and leaves. Important Mentors understand the risks here,
and keep eyes extra open for attrition, domination and forceful

I think discussion should continue on Chemistry dev@ list. If agreement
can't be reached there, then I am NOT in favor of incubating OpenCMIS
separately and will vote -1 to such proposal. I will also form myself an
opinion of how well Chemistry is trying to collaborate, and it may improve
or deteriorate its status with me.

This can become an excellent opportunity for all involved to show off their
ApacheWay skills

-- Niclas

On 13 Dec 2009 09:47, "Emmanuel LŽcharny" <> wrote:

Joe Schaefer a écrit :

> <snip/>
> >> >> I see where Joe is going to with his "let both project get in and
> let's see which one will su...
I must admit that it's human nature, but I think - but I'm probably
optimistic - that people working on an apache project should overcome this
reluctance. In this very case, as Chemistry has entered the incubator more
than 6 months ago, I can understand that 'merging' with OpenCMIS would slow
down the process, and OTOH, OpenCMIS may not like the idea to be seen as a
sub-project... But this is the Incubator, the perfect place yo work out such
problems. My fear is that by accepting two separate projects, one may die
(or even both), because of the lack of community... It seems less likely if
both project work out a common solution, IMHO.

Collaboration does not kill good ideas...

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