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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was: [PROPOSAL][VOTE] Subversion)
Date Tue, 10 Nov 2009 18:17:50 GMT
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> From: William A. Rowe Jr. <>
> To:
> Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 10:08:40 AM
> Subject: Re: Insanity. Apache Incubator should be about education (was:  [PROPOSAL][VOTE]

> Greg wrote:
> > Look at the context. Being asked to throw together some bits for a
> > "release". Oh, just any bits will do. But wait, since they aren't
> > quite proper, you don't really have to announce it to users. ... come
> > on, that is not education. That isn't teaching anybody anything.
> We don't disagree.  So stick around long enough to make a real release that
> the Incubator PMC can validate, or come to a reasonable exception that the
> Incubator can accept.  But don't go flying off into rants about process that
> the board has *charged* the Incubator with defining and enforcing :)

Wait a second Bill.  In the not-too-distant past there was no requirement
for a podling to cut a release.  Infrastructure people pushed for there to
be one, and pushed to have the incubator releases on the mirrors, because it
turns out prior graduating projects needed to be trained by infra on how to do this properly.

The purpose of doing a release within the incubator has now morphed into something a bit different,
and not entirely for the better.  I have been
paying attention to subversion release processes for years, and frankly we
should be adopting *their* methods here at Apache.  We don't have anything
to teach them other than mirror mechanics, and that can be learned post-


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