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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: Diversity as an insurance policy (Was: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot)
Date Thu, 06 Aug 2009 03:07:01 GMT
I will try to answer it;

1. I think it is an extreme question. If both disappeared tomorrow, I don't
think the will to continue exists. If it happens 12 months from now in the
Incubator, I think it could go either way. If happens 12 months after
graduation, I am pretty sure it sustains. Why do I think so? It is all about
perception. Personally, I would think twice trying to blow life into a
incubating project with problems, but not so with a TLP that I depend on.
Pivot is sexy, possibly highly controversial and competing head on with Flex
and gang. I don't think it will get many serious users until it is out of
incubator, which in turn stimulate the people working on it a lot more.

2. Greg and Todd from the start (Feb2009) very open and discussed most
things on ML and constantly asking for feedback. The early trickle of dev
questions, incl my own, often resulted in "Yeah, you are right, a great
idea..." and before I knew it has been incorporated. At least as good as
your regular TLP. Since people like stats, ~200 tickets in 6 months is IMHO
another sign of transparency.

3. Yes I think so. In fact, I suspect it will end up being an umbrella of
smaller projects using Pivot but where that shouldn't go into Pivot itself.
I think a similar evolution as Apache Felix, perhaps slightly slower growth
(due to OSGi's popularity when Felix came here). I also can't identify any
existing TLP suitable.


On Aug 6, 2009 10:31 AM, "Ralph Goers" <> wrote:

On Aug 5, 2009, at 10:15 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, Aug 5,
2009 at 6:58 PM, Martij...
I don't think your concerns about Pivot are baseless. I think that stating
them in terms of number of commits doesn't really frame your concern

Here is how I would express my concerns based on the messages I've read
1. We know there are two committers who understand the code very well. Do
the mentors feel the rest of the community has the necessary understanding
and commitment to pick up the slack should something happen to those two
2. Does the community participate in the direction of the project? Do the
committers do whatever they want without review or do others participate?
3. If Pivot were given permission to graduate would the project really have
the momentum it needs to sustain itself as a TLP or does it belong as a
subproject under an umbrella project?


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