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From Ralph Goers <>
Subject Re: Making up policy on the fly
Date Tue, 18 Aug 2009 23:29:23 GMT

On Aug 18, 2009, at 4:11 PM, sebb wrote:

> On 18/08/2009, Ralph Goers <> wrote:
>> On Aug 18, 2009, at 11:23 AM, Craig L Russell wrote:
>>> Hi Ant,
>>> I didn't intend to make up stuff on the fly, especially policy.
>>> After having been through the fine points of LICENSE vs. NOTICE so  
>>> many
>> times, I thought the consensus was to put *all* licenses into the  
>> top level
>> LICENSE file. But having just scoured the official public pages  
>> promulgating
>> policy, I can't find it.
>>> Let's continue the discussion.
>>> I still believe that it's bad form to put licenses in several  
>>> places in
>> distributions because users might not find them and thereby not  
>> know what
>> they're getting.
>> You may consider it bad form, but until it is actually documented as
>> incubator or ASF policy I wouldn't consider it to be enough to  
>> block a
>> release. Especially since I am quite sure there will be a debate  
>> about
>> whether it must be one way or the other.
> Surely we should be making things easy for the end-users of the  
> software?
> AIUI ASF policy is for there to be "no surprises".
> Having a single starting point - the LICENSE and NOTICE files in the
> top-level directory - seems to me to be the way to do this.

I agree.
> It's really unfair to expect end-users to trawl around the directory
> structure looking for license files, whose names are non-standard.

I didn't say anything about trawling around the directory structure.  
But blocking a release because the LICENSE file has a pointer to a  
directory vs including the licenses in the file is inappropriate until  
either the IPMC or ASF documents that. And I don't mean to imply that  
you are suggesting that a release should be blocked due to that.


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