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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Making up policy on the fly
Date Wed, 19 Aug 2009 18:17:47 GMT
----- Original Message ----

> From: Ted Leung <>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:06:08 PM
> Subject: Re: Making up policy on the fly
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 10:49 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
> >> when we can't even agree / document what that *right* way is.
> > 
> > We who?  Robert has done an outstanding job of documenting what the right
> > way is.  The only people who can't agree to it are people who refuse to
> > acknowledge his work on this issue.  Frankly looking at the commit history
> > to releasemanagement.xml I could care less what their opinion is- they've
> > had years to express it in that document and utterly failed to do so.
> I agree that Robert has done an outstanding job of documenting the right way.  
> But in the days long cassandra thread that sparked this one, no one ever brought 
> up that URL that Craig finally dug up yesterday.

Why do we need someone to dig up a URL to believe what infrastructure people have
been saying consistently?  If we tell you something is best-practice, why do *we*
have to defend ourselves?  Why aren't the people on the IPMC actually *required* to
read /dev/release.html as a precondition to being put on this PMC?  Shouldn't people
*know* what the actual position of the foundation is before running around casting
foundation votes?

>   Until yesterday I think that 
> some people didn't know (or agree with) the *right* way.   It has nothing to do 
> with acknowledging Robert's work.    If we are going to come down on the 
> podlings for not following the rules, then we should make sure that we give them 
> straight talk on what the *right* definitive rules are.   That clearly didn't 
> happen in this case.

Obviously I agree with you, which is why I'm working on the IPMC documentation
wrt. releases.  It's not the podling's fault for not understanding best-practice,
that problem is a failure to educate via adopted documentation by this PMC.  The
release guide Robert has been working on, largely by himself, for the past 3 years
remains in DRAFT status.  That's something I intend to rectify ASAP.


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