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From Ross Gardler <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Pivot
Date Tue, 04 Aug 2009 09:21:53 GMT
2009/8/4 Bertrand Delacretaz <>:
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Niclas Hedhman<> wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 8:42 PM, Jukka Zitting<> wrote:
>>> Sling explicitly waited until there were active committers from three
>>> independent backgrounds until asking for graduation.
>>> At the end of the day it's the people who write the code that decide
>>> where a project goes,
>> So, you ARE saying that Day Software decides on Sling...
> In such a case, the key point is, do the people who write the code
> listen to the community?
> Taking Sling as an example again, the commit logs certainly show an
> overwhelming number of commits from Day employees, but if you look at
> the big picture it's clear that those committers are taking the
> community opinions into account, and working hard to empower people to
> contribute.
> Those things are hard to measure without looking at all the elements
> of a project, so I guess we have to trust the mentors (Niclas and
> Martijn) judgement about Pivot. Hence my +1.

I fully agree with Bertand here. I've not voted as I am not familiar
with the Pivot community. However, I have heard the mentors clearly
state that the active committers engage with and listen to other
committers - even to the extent that they have given them a veto
despite not having contributed mountains of code. I can only assume
that this power was given for good meritocratic reasons.

I would suggest that anyone wishing to vote -1 on the graduation of a
podling on grounds of diversity of code commits needs to back it up
with documented evidence that either a) the committers are not
listening to the community or b) there is no active oversight from
those with voting rights.


Ross Gardler

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