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From Joe Schaefer <>
Subject Re: Making up policy on the fly
Date Wed, 19 Aug 2009 19:52:00 GMT
----- Original Message ----

> From: Ted Leung <>
> To:
> Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 2:34:50 PM
> Subject: Re: Making up policy on the fly
> On Aug 19, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:

> > Why do we need someone to dig up a URL to believe what infrastructure people 
> have
> > been saying consistently?  If we tell you something is best-practice, why do 
> *we*
> > have to defend ourselves?  Why aren't the people on the IPMC actually 
> *required* to
> > read /dev/release.html as a precondition to being put on this PMC?  Shouldn't 
> people
> > *know* what the actual position of the foundation is before running around 
> casting
> > foundation votes?
> As far as I know, the only condition to being put on this PMC is that a member 
> ask to be added.   We don't have any kind of criteria to be on the PMC.  If you 
> think that we need some additional policy for that, be my guest.  As far as 
> infrastructure people needing to defend themselves:   This PMC operates by 
> quoting written ASF policy to podlings so that the podlings can do the *right* 
> thing.    It's not a matter of questioning you or anyone else on 
> infrastructure.   What we tell people is "there are rules here".  If we want to 
> be known as a fair, level-playing-field organization, those rules need to be 
> written down.    This PMC is a major part of our interface to the rest of the 
> world.  That face should be fair, consistent, repeatable, and as free of 
> frustration and controversy as possible.

How's this for writing down the rules:


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