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From Robert Burrell Donkin <>
Subject Re: Bypassing Incubator
Date Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:29:34 GMT
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 11:19 AM, Gavin<> wrote:
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Noel J. Bergman []
>> Sent: Monday, 15 June 2009 2:15 PM
>> To:
>> Subject: RE: Bypassing Incubator
>> Tim Ellison wrote:
>> > Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> > > 1. Any substantial codebase needs at least IP Clearance in Incubator,
>> > > which is effectively just a record of where/when/how it came from, and
>> > > an opportunity for Incubator PMC members to have a look and make sure
>> > > that there is no flagrant IP issues.
>> > I never understood this part.  Why is the Incubator PMC any more
>> > qualified to decide if incoming code contains a "fragrant IP issue"
>> > than the destination TLP PMC?  After all, the TLP PMC are doing that
>> > check continuously for the day to day contributions received.
>> And they, the PMC responsible for clearing the IP, must record that
>> clearance in the Incubator, which was designated by the Board as the
>> repository for all of those IP clearance documents.  That fact that there
>> are additional eyes is a bonus.
>>       --- Noel
> Ok, so thanks everyone for your replies/clarifications.
> The cause of my question and confusion was I saw a request on Infra Jira for
> a mailing list and other infrastructure to be created for a Lucene
> Sub-Project OpenRelevance[1].
> So, now I get that is quite alright to do that. The only question remains is
> that of IP clearance. I haven't had time to take a closer look as of yet.
> Is that part of Incubators role, to police around the whole of the ASF
> projects looking for IP violations and stuff that stinks of 'hey that should
> come through Incubator' , or is not the job of Incubator because it has
> never touched Incubator so is someone elses job to look into if everything
> is kosha or otherwise ?

apache delegates power to projects to police themselves but relies
also on the collective eyes to ask the right questions

the incubator just acts as a clearing house for new communities and
external IP, helping them to become part of apache. the legal group is
the place to ask questions about potential IP issues.

- robert

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