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From Robert Burrell Donkin <>
Subject Re: Commons issues WAS RE: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator
Date Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:52:34 GMT
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 1:56 PM, Niclas Hedhman <> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin
> <> wrote:
>> opinions?
> Is there any purpose beyond having a process for process sake and, as
> you say, avoiding PMCs to make judgment calls??

AIUI the board and membership charged the IPMC to act as the gateway
for imported code code. personally speaking, i would feel very
confortable delegating small codebases with small communities to the
discretion and judgement of PMCs. however, this too would be a
decision about the process.

i'm glad that the commons came forward with their proposal. i've felt
this conflict too at other PMCs. the IPMC needs to provide a pathway,
a process to allow PMCs to exercise their judgement within the
framework established by the members and board. it doesn't have to be
heavyweight or overly prescriptive but it needs to exist and be

> Are we moving from meritocracy to bureaucracy, where process matters
> more than thinking?

every since the foundation has been established, process has mattered
more than thinking. process is the minimal legal glue that allows the
thinking to happen. the difficult point is working out how little
process can be made to work, and then just doing that.

> Please spell it out, because I am also seeing
> similar trends at ASF Board/VP level...

IMHO more process is sadly inevitable as apache scales

- robert

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