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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator
Date Mon, 13 Apr 2009 12:29:05 GMT
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:41 PM, Torsten Curdt <> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 05:15, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:

>> And the person
>> should be considered more trustworthy than most with respect to making
>> patches, given that they are the contributors of the code in the first
>> place.
> Well, they are also the person that could have potential code
> ownership problems, could try to lead the project like they were used
> to before and so on. I would not consider them more trustworthy in
> that sense just because they brought the code.

Well, how do you "trust" that a contribution arriving via JIRA is any
different? We can't, and probably shouldn't, go looking for problems
among the committers and contributors. Assumption that what people say
is true, is probably a healthy starting point.

>> They do need to do is become indoctrinated in the community, and if it is
>> just a committer or few at a time into an entire community, Apache Commons
>> ought to be able to handle that.
> So we just hand out commit access and hope (or try to make them)
> behave? Isn't that a bit unfair to those that contributed over months
> until they got voted in as committers? They had to show beforehand
> they understand how things work.

Well, now we enter a different discussion; "How much contribution is
required for commit rights?"
Something for your PMC to work out, and I can only lend out my own
little idea; If the effort of applying the patches is exceeding the
effort required to create commit account, then I think the account
should be created. Now, creating a committer at ASF is slightly
expensive, so a single patch is not enough but if the incoming
codebase is expecting heavy evolution, then I think it makes sense to
make committer immediately. If it is a mature codebase, then perhaps

Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer - New Energy for Java

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