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From Niclas Hedhman <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Ace
Date Mon, 06 Apr 2009 01:40:57 GMT
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 2:11 AM, Jason van Zyl <> wrote:

> As I said in the previous email if you want to make a competing system
> that's fine. But don't couch the proposal as something that's new and hasn't
> been addressed elsewhere because it has.

I don't know why you got so worked up over this proposal. You seldom
raise your concerns here, and when you do it this "loudly", it sounds
like you are on an agenda, and with your recent commitment to Eclipse
Foundation, such suspicion is yet stronger. I will assume that is not
the case. And in the end, you make a turn-around and say "You guys
should go for it.". I hope that is sincere.

It is barely the first time a project is overlapping or competing with
a known large project. And whether or not P2 covers the same space or
not is also fairly irrelevant.

As for the argument; "95% will use Eclipse..." Even if that would be
true, it is irrelevant and you if anyone should know that. Ant had
close to 100% of users in Java-land and won "Best Software" kind of
awards all over the place, by the time you started Maven. Should that
argument have stopped you from trying? Do you regret that Maven

I also find OBR vs P2 argumentation being a non-issue. Ace can in
principle work with both, if the community choose to support P2. IMHO,
P2 is fairly "heavy" and not suitable for many people. And I don't
like to live in the world with 'single choice', where a faceless mob
has made my choice out of numbers alone. I happen to choose the
technology that best suits _my_ needs. Some years ago that was Maven
over Ant, now it is IDEA over Eclipse, Jetty over Tomcat for tests,
and so on...

Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer - New Energy for Java

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