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From Niall Pemberton <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Commons Incubator
Date Sat, 11 Apr 2009 21:55:33 GMT
On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 9:22 AM, Niclas Hedhman <> wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 6:32 PM, Torsten Curdt <> wrote:
>> Well, the point is: we are  talking about small libraries.
>> Imagine there is library X which was developed by only 2 developers.
>> They want to bring this code to Commons. What to do? IP clearance is
>> one thing. But what about the 2 developers? Just make them committers
>> while they have no clue about Apache? Doesn't sound like a good idea.
>> Just accepting their code and make them send patches until we feel
>> they are ready? Feels not appropriate since they are the authors of
>> the code. On the other hand going through the "normal" incubator is a
>> bit over the top for a project that is so small that it is not
>> targeting to become it's own project. Building a community is not
>> really that applicable in this case. It's rather about integrating it
>> into an existing community.
> Careful now, you are sinking your own proposal with your arguments.
> 1. The proposal says that there is no need to build a community, since
> the entire Commons community is there to make sure everything is Ok.
> 2. You say that you can't just make them committers, insinuating that
> the Commons community will NOT be there to make sure everything is Ok.

You're insinuating too much here. Simply put the commons PMC would
want to see committers in action before making them full blown Commons
committers. This is no different from any of the other incubations
that then graduate into an existing TLP. There are no boundaries
between components in Commons - all committers have svn access to all

The key points AIUI of Matts proposal
  - make it "perpetual" so that the resources don't have to be set up
every time for every little component
  - use the existing Commons mailing lists - so that the interactions
of prospective components take place within the normal commons


> Either there is a community in Commons, or there is not. If the
> latter, then normal Incubation is the way forward.
> IMHO, the Commons community MUST step up and be the oversight
> required, i.e. train the committers as well as assist in releases and
> make sure that the legal oversight is in place. IFF that can be
> assured, _I_ see no problems at all making people committers out of a
> 'bulk contribution'. IF it can NOT be assured, and each subproject is
> left on its own, then Commons have a larger problem...
> And, if you so decide, you can always stick things into the sandbox
> first and make sure that people behave, that legal requirements are in
> place and what not, before making the final step.
> Cheers
> --
> Niclas Hedhman, Software Developer
> - New Energy for Java
> I  live here;
> I  work here;
> I relax here;
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