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From Chris Chabot <>
Subject Re: March 2009 Incubator Board Report
Date Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:37:19 GMT
This might or might not be relevant, but there is at least one
very-much-alive PHP community within the Apache incubator: the PHP version
of Shindig ( &

While we haven't been able to attract a lot of committers yet for the PHP
part (most people are more comfertable submitting a patch when their
implementing it, but don't always feel the need to take that next step),
there are well over a dozen individuals who sometimes submit patches,
provide feedback & there's over 20 very large websites who use it for their
OpenSocial support.

Again while maybe not completely relevant, I did want to point out that it
is possible to grow a PHP community inside of Apache, and one does actually
already exist :)

   -- Chris

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Christian Grobmeier

> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 09:38:35AM +0100, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> >> Well, I am highly interested. I would like to see more PHP at Apache,
> >> and if log4php fails, most other PHP project will fail.
> >
> > This seems like an odd conclusion.
> I think i didn't express it good. I meant: Apache has less PHP
> community. If an allready started, useful and useable project like
> log4php fails cause of lack of community - thats not a good signal. If
> other PHP incubation requests come in I expect lack of interest for
> those projects too.
> If log4php can build up a community, chances are higher to get more
> PHP people to Apache. And run more healthy PHP projects at Apache.
> log4php imho is a very good start to build up a PHP community at
> apache. It has allready taken the hurdle to come  into incubator.
> Other projects may have more problems. I didn't found a champion for
> PIWI yet, but I think that is not a problem of the software. Its just
> nobody interested :-)
> Of course, i dont think its impossible to start new and more succesful
> PHP projects at the ASF when this one fails.
> Hope this makes more clear why I consider log4PHP an important and
> strategic project and I would like to see it successful.
> Christian
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