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From Robert Burrell Donkin <>
Subject UIMA [WAS Re: Suspending Projects]
Date Thu, 19 Feb 2009 22:58:32 GMT
On 2/19/09, Thilo Goetz <> wrote:
> Jukka Zitting wrote:
>> Hi,
>> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Noel J. Bergman <> wrote:
>>> I have put XAP's status to a vote.  What others do people feel should be
>>> considered?  I have several in mind, but want to hear from the Mentors
>>> and
>>> the Community as a whole.
>> I'm not a mentor of Lokahi, but I hang around there. The project
>> started incubation almost three years ago and has been idle for about
>> a year now. I recently pinged them about status (see the thread at
>> [1]). There's an idea (I'm not sure how substantial) of Tomcat
>> adopting at least parts of the codebase, but apart from that it looks
>> like the project would be ready for retirement.
>> River is another long-term incubating project that seems to have lost
>> its energy. However, there's still some remaining activity and as a
>> mentor I'm putting some effort there, hoping to achieve a similar
>> revival as we've seen in PDFBox. Niclas is another active mentor. So
>> for now we'll keep trying.
>> The UIMA project on the other hand seems to have been ripe for
>> graduation for a long while already. They seem to be (unnecessarily?)
>> stuck on the diversity issue. I believe they're too comfortable in the
>> incubator, but perhaps the mentors have a better picture.
> [...]
> I'm not sure "comfortable" really fits the picture.  We would love
> to get out of the incubator.  The effort to get 3 Incubator PMC
> folks to review our releases every time is big enough to make it
> desirable on that account alone.  I also think that the fact that
> we're still stuck in the incubator is putting a bit of a damper on
> our enthusiasm for the project.
> As Jukka says, our main (or maybe only) challenge is diversity.  We
> currently have 8 committers, only one of who is not from IBM.  From
> the discussions on this list, that's hardly diverse enough.

The graduation VOTE involves subjective judgement, and often numbers
don't tell the whole story. I think this lack of quantitative
precision is a good thing since appropriate levels will be different
for different types of project.

We should probably try to find the collective energy to review UIMA
before the project's enthusiasm is sapped.


> However,
> we'll keep trying.  And if anybody feels like helping out, you're
> always welcome.
> --Thilo
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