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From "Robert Burrell Donkin" <>
Subject Re: Graduation [WAS Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation]
Date Tue, 04 Nov 2008 14:08:24 GMT
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Jan Lehnardt <> wrote:
> Hi Robert,
> On Nov 4, 2008, at 14:42, Robert Burrell Donkin wrote:
>> On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 12:53 AM, Niall Pemberton
>> <> wrote:
>>> I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you
>>> only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not
>>> being a viable project. I took a look through the lists and from what
>>> I can see CouchDB entered incubation with four committers in February
>>> (the proposal listed six, but apparently was a mistake[1]) and has
>>> added one new person just over a month ago[2].
>>> I know theres been a push to get projects to graduate, but IMO CouchDB
>>> would benefit from growing its community a bit more first.
>> as a general point, i tend to agree
>> i wonder whether we might now be pushing a little too hard for
>> projects to graduate

(i wasn't commenting on CoachDB in particular but i'll add a couple of
specific comments)

> I am not familiar with how "mature" other projects are when they graduate,
> maybe we are just not there yet. I just like to point out that CouchDB was
> a healthy project before entering incubation with mailing lists, regular
> contributors, bug tracking & releases. I understand that ASF-guidelines
> are different and that we might still belong in the Incubator.

i don't see it in terms of belonging or not, but just whether the
Incubator has taught CoachDB everything it needs to become a
successful Apache project. recruiting new committers is an essential

> On the "push", I don't know what you are referring to exactly. We don't see
> any pressure from the ASF or Incubator or Mentors or outside to graduate.
> We as the project just felt we are ready. Considering our mentors +1'd our
> desire to graduate, they don't have these concerns. Who is "pushing" here?

there's a general feeling that graduation has been too slow in the
past and that podlings should be encouraged to devote more energy
towards pushing to graduation

- robert

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