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From Jan Lehnardt <>
Subject Re: Asking for Feedback: CouchDB Graduation
Date Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:15:00 GMT

thanks for your feedback.

On Nov 4, 2008, at 01:53, Niall Pemberton wrote:

> I haven't been following CouchDB but a PMC of five seems small - you
> only have to loose a couple of people and you're on the verge of not
> being a viable project. I took a look through the lists and from what
> I can see CouchDB entered incubation with four committers in February
> (the proposal listed six, but apparently was a mistake[1]) and has
> added one new person just over a month ago[2].
> I know theres been a push to get projects to graduate, but IMO CouchDB
> would benefit from growing its community a bit more first.

We (informally, again :) decided to hold back a release and adding more
committers in favour of doing the graduation first (just to not have  
things running at the same time. While our software is highly  
we aren't :)

The general feel with the project is that we are rather gaining  
than losing them. That does not really address the concern of a 5-person
PMC being small (the documented prime-example board resolutions have
8-10). Again, we (devs, community, mentors) think we are a healthy and
growing project and I wonder if a 5-person PMC would be a show stopper?

> Also, since there have been two releases while here, I assume all the
> due-dilligence has been completed, but the status page[3] has not been
> completed to reflect that - so if you do go for graduation it would be
> nice if that was updated first.

Ted, I patched the couchdb.xml project file ( 
and updated the committer & mentor lists; can you commit? In addition,  
it looks
that some of the dates in the "work items" section are missing. How to  
go about


> Niall
> [1]
> [2]
> [3]
> On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 5:19 PM, Jan Lehnardt <> wrote:
>> Dear Incubator General List,
>> The community and developers of Apache CouchDB deem
>> the project ready for graduation to a top level Apache project.
>> vote summary:
>> Message IDs for informal(*) PPMC vote to appoint Damien Katz to  
>> become
>> "Vice President, CouchDB":
>> (* Sorry we didn't to a formal vote and hence no formal [RESULT]  
>> message)
>> --
>> We would like to ask the IPMC to discuss the following Board  
>> resolution to
>> be
>> recommended to the Board. Once your feedback is collected and  
>> integrated,
>> we will ask you to vote on the final resolution. Thank you!
>> --
>> Proposed Board Resolution:
>> Establish the Apache CouchDB project
>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>> interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>> Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>> Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>> open-source software implementing a distributed, fault-
>> tolerant and schema-free document-oriented database for
>> distribution at no charge to the public.
>> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>> Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache CouchDB Project",
>> be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>> Foundation; and be it further
>> RESOLVED, that the Apache CouchDB Project be and hereby is
>> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>> related to implementing a distributed, fault-tolerant and
>> schema-free document-oriented database; and be it further
>> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, CouchDB" be and
>> hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at
>> the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the
>> Apache CouchDB Project, and to have primary responsibility for
>> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility
>> of the Apache CouchDB Project; and be it further
>> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>> hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>> Apache CouchDB Project:
>> * J Chris Anderson (
>> * Damien Katz      (
>> * Christopher Lenz (
>> * Jan Lehnardt     (
>> * Noah Slater      (
>> Katz be appointed to the office of Vice President, CouchDB, to
>> serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board
>> of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death,
>> resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification, or until
>> a successor is appointed; and be it further
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache CouchDB Project be and hereby
>> is tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>> encourage open development and increased participation in the
>> CouchDB Project; and be it further
>> RESOLVED, that the initial Apache CouchDB Project be and hereby
>> is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>> Incubator CouchDB podling; and be it further
>> RESOLVED, that all responsibility pertaining to the Apache
>> Incubator CouchDB podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>> PMC are hereafter discharged.
>> --
>> Again, thanks for your cooperation!
>> For the Apache CouchDB PPMC,
>> Jan
>> --
>> PS: Thanks to Noah Slater for proofreading.
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