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From Matt Hogstrom <>
Subject Re: On incubating releases
Date Mon, 29 Sep 2008 14:03:11 GMT
Thinking about this as the thread has drawn on has caused me to change  
my mind from a -1 to a +1.  The reason for the shift is my own twisted  
rationale that

a) users most likely don't care about dependencies a project uses but  
are more concerned about getting the functionality of the main project  
they download.  If the user cares that much the information is not  

b) there is nothing really hidden about incubator releases as they  
have the scarlet letter in their artifact name *-incubator.

c) For projects that do choose to use the incubator project their life  
is complicated and they have to do some unnatural things.

d) It makes the use of Incubator artifacts more difficult to consume  
and is contrary to the goal of growing a community that are interested  
in the Incubator projects.

When we finally get back to voting I'll vote in favor of releasing the  
artifacts to the central repo.

I repent in dust and ashes.


On Sep 26, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Jukka Zitting wrote:

> Hi,
> Branching off from the release distribution vote.
> On Fri, Sep 26, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Jukka Zitting < 
> > wrote:
>> This vote has made it quite clear that we have a much deeper
>> disagreement over the status of incubating releases, and that we
>> really should reach some consensus on that before nailing down
>> decisions on release distribution.
> AFAUI there are three positions that people are advocating:
>    a) Releases with no other strings than the ALv2 attached
>    b) Releases with requirements to notify downstream users
>    c) No releases
> Personally I think that position b conflicts with both the letter and
> the spirit of ALv2, and that position c is damaging to incubating
> projects. Also, if a was not an option, I'd rather opt for c than b as
> I think c is at least a logically consistent position.
> What do other people think?
> BR,
> Jukka Zitting
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