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From "James Dixson (jadixson)" <>
Subject RE: [PROPOSAL] Etch
Date Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:03:28 GMT
I have heard the name concern a couple of times now...

When we picked the name Etch about 18 months ago, we knew about the
Debian release, but frankly we were unconcerned. Debian etch is the name
of a release of Debian, no different than "4" being a release of Fedora.
Eventually Debian etch will fade into memory just as sarge and woody

Etch, in our line of thinking (if it could be said we were doing any
thinking :-) ) was the name we were giving to the technology, not a
release. There were no other technologies named Etch or similar, so we
declared victory and moved on. 

So I guess my question back to everyone is this:
   What is the concern about the name Etch, really?

 1. Is there a legal trademark issue or a formal Apache branding policy
issue with using the name Etch such that the use of the name is simply
not going to be allowed.

 - or -
 2. Is there a concern that during incubation, we might have to be
explicit in communication and always say "Apache Etch" rather than just
"Etch" because of a fear that a reference to "Etch", taken out of
context, could be confused with Debian 4.0?
If "1" is true then, absolutely the name should be changed.

But if only "2" is true, then I will need a bit more convincing. I am
after all very, very lazy and changing the name of a working toolset is
well... work :-)

James Dixson
Manager, Software Development
CUAE Engineering, Cisco Systems Inc.
Direct: 512-336-3305
Mobile: 512-968-2116

-----Original Message-----
From: Niklas Gustavsson [] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2008 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch

On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 6:16 PM, James Dixson <>
> This a proposal to enter Etch in to the incubator.
> See for updates.

+1 for incubation (non-binding). While I find this area to be a bit
overcrowded lately, having both Etch and Thrift at Apache and Protocol
buffers under ASL 2.0 does offer some interesting opportunities for
competition as well as cooperation.

I do share the concerns about naming conflicts. Debian is by far more
well known and trying to establish this project under a conflicting
name would be hard.


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