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From James Dixson <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Etch
Date Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:48:18 GMT
The watercooler problem is real, but addressable. We accept that in order
for a community around Etch to grow, communication has to be open. Much of
our communication and discussion about Etch has been mediated over email as
our intramural community is geographically distributed. It is not a stretch
for us to change our primary discussion mailers.


On 8/1/08 4:29 AM, "Henning Schmiedehausen" <> wrote:

> You adressed the two concerns that I have, too, thanks.
> - The name. "Debian Etch" is a deeply engrained meme with the "Etch"
> short cut.
> - Office disussions. Projects where a large number of committers are
> from the same organization and that also have this company being
> invested in the project might fall into the "watercooler discussion"
> trap. Or into the "this is a patch for <foo>, I discussed and reviewed
> it with <few other committers> and they think it is fine" problem, where
> the review and discussion happened off the mailing list.
> It is definitely painful if you have the large majority of committers
> and contributors in the office to still send out stuff to the mailing
> lists, wait for people in other time zones to catch up and then go
> ahead. In fast moving projects (I'm talking about you, Shindig
> people. ;-) ), the aspect of a global distributed community sometimes
> gets forgotten if you have all the relevant people in the next room. So
> this is something that should be watched during incubation.
> Apart from that: Wow, cool product. +1 for incubation.
> Ciao
> Henning
> On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 11:28 +0800, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
>> On Friday 01 August 2008 00:16, James Dixson wrote:
>>> This a proposal to enter Etch in to the incubator.
>>> See for updates.
>>> In particular, we are looking for an interested Champion.
>> Well, you are expected to have found a Champion prior to submitting the
>> proposal, but that is not a blocker.
>> "Etch" --> Not so sure. "Debian Etch vs Apache Etch, which one is better?"
>> Doh... I would seek another name.
>> I like this proposal a lot, probably because of too many fingers burned on
>> SOAP. The challenge will be community building, and I have two fears;
>>  1. Codebase might be "too good".
>>  2. "At office" discussions on progress.
>> Well, I am willing to be a Mentor on this podling if accepted. List me as
>> Champion if you don't get anyone else. And you are effectively requesting the
>> Incubator PMC to be the Sponsor.
>> My +1 for Incubation.
>> Cheers
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