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From "ant elder" <>
Subject Re: Graduate Tuscany as a top level project
Date Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:18:23 GMT
On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Robert Burrell Donkin <> wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 9:27 PM, ant elder <> wrote:
> <snip>
> >  That would make the PPMC be about 50%  IBM day job  and 50% (non IBMers
> or
> >  IBM non-day jobers). Can we take it to a private list if anyone wants a
> >  detailed breakdown?
> +1
> IMO the IPMC is wrong to ask for named affiliations in public.
> contractual information is potentially confidential and should be
> discussed only in private. all that should be needed in public are
> aggregate statistics.
> IMHO the emphasis on committer affiliation is misguided. overloading
> the word diversity was also probably a mistake. maybe we need to focus
> on narrower concepts with alternative names.
> 1. the incubator should be concerned about the composition of the
> proposed PMC. PMC conveys voting rights and control of the project
> going forward. independent committers are fine but if these are not
> being enfranchised then this should be a concern. so the aggregation
> distribution of affiliations of PPMC members should be of interest. i
> don't care what the affliation is, just the aggregate stats.
> 2. for a top level project to succeed, it needs to be able to
> encrourage, recruit and mentor new independent developers. unless a
> project demonstrates the ability to recruit new independent
> developers, it is not ready to graduate. so, i would like to know how
> many new independent committers the project has developed, am
> interested in the quantity of code they've contributed and whether
> they are on the PPMC. again, i don't care about their affiliations.

Some answers to these:

Here is the timeline of new committers additions to Tuscany:

2008-04-16 Vote to add Wang Feng as Tuscany committer
2008-03-26 Vote to add Giorgio Zoppi as Tuscany committer
2007-11-19 Vote to add Rajini Sivaram as Tuscany committer
2007-11-01 Vote to add Mark Combellack as Tuscany committer
2007-10-21 Vote to add Michael Yoder as Tuscany committer
2007-10-08 Vote to add Amita Vadhavkar as a new committer
2007-09-19 Vote to add Simon Nash as a new committer
2007-08-21 Vote to add Brady Johnson as a new committer
2007-07-12 Vote to add Fuhwei Lwo as a new committer
2007-05-01 Vote to add Andy Grove as a new committer
2007-04-03 Vote to add Adriano Crestani as a new committer
2007-01-22 Vote to add Simon Laws as a new committer
2006-11-15 Vote to add Geoffrey Winn as a new committer
2006-11-10 Vote to add Luciano Resende as a new commiter
2006-11-07 Vote to add Rajith Attapattu
2006-09-29 Vote to add Ignacio Silva-Lepe as a new committer
2006-09-18 Vote to add Venkata Krishnan as a new committer
2006-08-10 Vote to add Andrew Borley as a new committer
2006-08-07 Vote to add Meeraj Kunnumpurath as a new committer
2006-08-07 Vote to add Kelvin Goodson as a new committer
2006-08-06 Vote to add Brent Daniel as a new committer
2006-08-04 Vote to add Raymond Feng as a new committer
2006-05-02 Vote to add Dan Kulp as a new committer
2006-03-01 Vote to add Ant Elder as a new committer

So thats 24 new committers over the two and a bit years of incubation, about
one new committer every month or two. Of those, 12 were IBMers, 12 were
independents or non-paid job IBMers. The actual quantity of code each of
those have done is harder to say but using the dates on that list if you
trawl around in the tuscany-private archives you can see the discussion
around each nomination and I think be satisfied each was justified. Not all
those have become PPMC members (yet), some committers don't stay active and
we've had PPMC membership take a little longer and require a bit more
commitment to the project, but as mentioned earlier on this thread the
Tuscany PPMC currently has 15 members, about 50%  IBM day job and 50% (non
IBMers or IBM non-day jobers).


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