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From sebb <seb...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Approve the release of Apache Abdera 0.4.0-incubating (updated)
Date Mon, 31 Mar 2008 21:56:06 GMT
On 31/03/2008, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> wrote:
> In the FAQ I see this: "A file without any degree of creativity in
>  either its literal elements or its structure is not protected by
>  copyright law; therefore, such a file does not require a license header.

Yes, but:

>   If in doubt about the extent of the file's creativity, add the license
>  header to the file."

>  Here's the breakdown that I see from Rat:
>
>  None of the build scripts contain license headers.  Given that the build
>  scripts are everyday, normal maven build scripts, I do believe they
>  qualify under the "a file without any degree of creativity" clause.

I disagree.

Note that all Commons poms include the AL header.

>   ? adapters/pom.xml
>   ? client/pom.xml
>   ? core/pom.xml
>   ? examples/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/gdata/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/geo/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/html/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/json/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/main/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/media/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/oauth/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/opensearch/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/serializer/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/sharing/pom.xml
>   ? extensions/wsse/pom.xml
>   ? parser/pom.xml
>   ? security/pom.xml
>   ? server/pom.xml
>   ? spring/pom.xml
>   ? dependencies/deps.properties
>
>  The following file used to provide localization strings may possibly
>  require a license header.
>
>   ? core/src/main/resources/abderamessages.properties
>
>  The following are configuration files used at runtime, the majority of
>  which consist of only a few lines of text and also fall under the above
>  quoted clause.
>
>   ? client/src/main/java/log4j.properties
>   ? core/src/main/resources/abdera.properties.example
>   ?

These have less content, so the creative aspect is definitely lower.
However, I don't think there's no creativity involved.

>  core/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory.example
>   ?
>  core/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>   ?
>  core/src/test/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.converter.ConverterProvider
>   ?
>  examples/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>   ?
>  extensions/complete/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.writer.NamedWriter
>   ?
>  extensions/complete/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>   ?
>  extensions/complete/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.parser.NamedParser
>   ?
>  extensions/html/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.parser.NamedParser
>   ?
>  extensions/json/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.writer.NamedWriter
>  !?????
>  extensions/main/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>   ?
>  extensions/media/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>   ?
>  extensions/opensearch/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>   ?
>  extensions/sharing/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>   ?
>  parser/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.writer.NamedWriter
>   ?
>  contrib/rss/src/main/resources/META-INF/services/org.apache.abdera.factory.ExtensionFactory
>

Agreed.

>
>  The following simple files are used for example purposes and do not
>  contain any creative content whatsoever.
>
>   ? examples/src/main/resources/xmlcontent.xml
>   ? examples/src/main/resources/log4j.properties
>   ? examples/src/main/resources/simple.xml
>   ? examples/src/main/resources/test.xslt
>   ? examples/src/main/resources/content.xslt
>   ? examples/src/main/resources/org/apache/abdera/examples/appserver/web.xml

Not much creativity, and small files, so the AL header is not essential.

>  The following were also (inappropriately) flagged by RAT
>
>   ? extensions/complete/resources/META-INF/LICENSE.htmlparser.txt
>   ? extensions/complete/resources/META-INF/NOTICE.htmlparser.txt
>   ? extensions/complete/resources/META-INF/NOTICE.serializer.txt
>   ? extensions/json/src/main/resources/META-INF/LICENSE.htmlparser.txt
>   ? extensions/json/src/main/resources/META-INF/NOTICE.htmlparser.txt
>   ? extensions/json/src/main/resources/META-INF/NOTICE.serializer.txt
>   ? dependencies/legal/servlet-api-LICENSE.txt
>   ? dependencies/legal/htmlparser-LICENSE.txt
>
>
>  The following resources are test resources that in addition to not
>  containing any degree of creative content, they arguably should not
>  contain license headers because the presence of the license header could
>  potentially impact the results of the tests.
>

Probably.
Though if the AL header affects the parsing, then there may well be a
problem with the parsing...

>   ? adapters/hibernate/src/test/resources/abdera/adapter/hibernate.cfg.xml
>   ? adapters/hibernate/src/test/resources/abdera/adapter/DummyData.hbm.xml
>   ? extensions/opensearch/src/test/resources/opensearch.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.snellspace.com/public/nondefaultnamespace.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.snellspace.com/public/nondefaultnamespace3.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.snellspace.com/public/nondefaultnamespace2.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/www.snellspace.com/public/xmlbase.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/www.snellspace.com/public/ordertest.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/www.snellspace.com/public/linktests.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/www.snellspace.com/public/contentsummary.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/simpleFeed.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/xmlcontent.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/feed.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/simple.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.feedparser.org/tests/wellformed/atom10/entry_content_base64_2.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.feedparser.org/tests/wellformed/atom10/entry_content_base64.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.feedparser.org/tests/wellformed/atom10/entry_author_email.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.feedparser.org/tests/wellformed/atom10/entry_author_name.xml
>   ?
>  parser/src/test/resources/www.feedparser.org/tests/wellformed/atom10/atom10_namespace.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/complete.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/simpleService.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/simpleEntry.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/test.xslt
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/entry.xml
>   ? parser/src/test/resources/content.xslt
>   ? spring/src/test/resources/org/apache/abdera/spring/beans.xml
>   ? contrib/rss/src/test/resources/rss1.rdf
>   ?
>  adapters/hibernate/src/test/resources/abdera/adapter/hibernate.properties
>   ? security/src/test/resources/log4j.properties
>   ? server/src/test/resources/abdera/adapter/sample.properties
>
>  This one documentation file, which contains only a single one sentence
>  statement, does not contain a license header.
>
>   ? docs/knownissues.txt
>
>  Which of these files do you think we absolutely have to add license
>  headers to?
>
>
>  - James
>
>
>  sebb wrote:
>  > On 31/03/2008, Dan Diephouse <dan.diephouse@mulesource.com> wrote:
>  >> sebb wrote:
>  >>  > On 31/03/2008, James M Snell <jasnell@gmail.com> wrote:
>  >>  >
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >>> -1: There are MD5 and SHA1 digests in the directory, but the archives
>  >>  > have no signatures.
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >> OK, I will fix this.
>  >>
>  >>>>  Maven Repository: http://people.apache.org/~dandiep/abdera-take6/
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >>
>  >>  >
>  >>  > -0: The abdera-bundle-0.4.0-incubating-sources.jar does not appear to
>  >>  > have any content - only the META-INF directory is present. Is that
>  >>  > correct?
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >> This is just a by-product of Maven. We can delete it.
>  >>
>  >>> -1: The NOTICE files in that jar (and others) contains far too much.
>  >>  > The NOTICE file is for required attribtions ONLY (e.g. as per an About
box)
>  >>  > There's really no need to repeat ASF for each project used by Abdera.
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >> Having too much information in the NOTICE files is not a crime. The
>  >>  Maven remote-resources plugin aggregates all this stuff for us so we
>  >>  never miss any notice that we need to put in.
>  >
>  > Unfortunately the plugin generates incorrect information.
>  > It *is* a problem having all the redundant information.
>  >
>  > See for example:
>  >
>  > http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html
>  > also
>  > http://wiki.apache.org/legal/3party/notice
>  > http://wiki.apache.org/legal/3party/notice/discuss
>  >
>  >>> -1: The LICENSE files need to either contain copies of the 3rd party
>  >>  > licenses, or they need to have a reference to the 3rd party licences.
>  >>  > Equally, there is no need for the lib directory to contain copies of
>  >>  > the AL for every ASF product.
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >> Why does the LICENSE file need to have a copy of all the other licenses?
>  >>  These are contained in the lib/ directory like many other ASF projects.
>  >>
>  >
>  > See the last paragraph of:
>  >
>  > http://www.apache.org/dev/apply-license.html#new
>  >
>  >>  Re: the ASL license in lib/ - once again having too much information is
>  >>  not a crime. This is a service to uesrs so they know where the libraries
>  >>  came from.
>  >
>  > I agree the source is useful, but the place for this is the LICENSE file.
>  >
>  >>> -1: RAT report says:
>  >>  >
>  >>  > 99 Unknown Licenses
>  >>  >
>  >>  > Some of these are trivial, but most require an AL header.
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >> Not true - there is not consensus that properties/xml files need to have
>  >>  headers. All the Java source code files have headers. If there are
>  >>  specific files that you feel should have a license that don't please
>  >>  list them and explain why. I'm not saying that we didn't miss something,
>  >>  but I am saying that the ones that I know about don't necessarily
>  >>  require a header.
>  >
>  > Yes, they do, see:
>  >
>  > http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions
>  >
>  >>> What is the SVN tag that corresponds with the archives?
>  >>  >
>  >>  >
>  >>
>  >> the branch will be tagged once its released.
>  >>
>  >>  Dan
>  >>
>  >>
>  >>  --
>  >>  Dan Diephouse
>  >>  MuleSource
>  >>  http://mulesource.com | http://netzooid.com
>  >>
>  >>
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