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From "robert burrell donkin" <>
Subject Re: [discussion] Harmony podling to ask for vote for graduation
Date Wed, 18 Oct 2006 21:52:10 GMT
On 10/18/06, Geir Magnusson Jr. <> wrote:
> robert burrell donkin wrote:
> > On 10/18/06, Greg Stein <> wrote:
> >> You said that you have run Tomcat on top of Harmony. Why can't you
> >> produce a release such that I can throw the Tomcat jar at it, too?
> >> Sure, it is a developer release, but it let's non-Harmony folks play
> >> with your project.
> >
> > i'd like to give harmony a spin as well :-)
> Go for it.  We're really interested in people's feedback.

i will do once there's something more than a snapshot :-)

> >> Is there a specific problem with producing a developer release?
> >
> > releases come in many forms :-)
> >
> > it's usual to think of an easy-to-use ready-to-run binary aimed at end
> > users called something like httpd-2.0.59. i agree that harmony isn't
> > ready for something like that nor would the effort of producing
> > something like that be at all worthwhile.
> >
> > but at an essential level, all that's require is to vote, tag the
> > source and create a tarball of the tagged source.
> >
> > harmony already does something similar for daily snapshots. IMHO the
> > next step would be to start cutting milestones each week or two so
> > they can be picked up with a little more certainty than the daily
> > snapshots. perhaps name them after the week they were cut
> > (harmony-M3406, say).
> >
> > i think harmony is more than ready to take this step.
> I think that the core issue is "can the community govern itself in an
> Apache manner", which is the core driver behind the "do a release"
> suggestion.  I'm guessing that the "do a release" suggestion is simply a
> mechanism for PMC members to get information on which to make a decision.


(but i do think harmony should start creating milestones very soon)

> Will you (and others that have questions) be satisfied if other mentors
> provide similar assessments as I have as to community status and ability
> to self-govern?

i can speak only for myself. i've been subscribed to harmony for many
months and am convinced on both those counts.

the source is the heart of any apache release. most issues with
releases are actually issues with the source. a community that does
not understand how to create source that can be released cannot (in my
opinion) graduate.

personally speaking, (in this case) i'd probably be satisfied to
review a snapshot or the tree rather than a sample release but is less
convenient and risks the graduation vote becoming,  i think
that a vote and tag would be cleaner and easier. i'll try to find some
time in the next few days to go through one of the snapshots.

- robert

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