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From "Noel J. Bergman" <>
Subject RE: [VOTE] Policy on Initial Committership
Date Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:46:57 GMT
Roy T. Fielding wrote:

> I don't care what the PPMC decides to do provided that it is the
> PPMC that makes the decisions and that decision is made on an Apache
> mailing list.  Mentors have NO RIGHT and NO RESPONSIBILITY to make
> decisions on behalf of a project as if they owned the project. The
> Mentors are only there to help the project govern itself and, in
> some cases, be counted as one of the people on the PPMC.

To be really picky, that is not quite accurate.  I wholeheartedly agree that
Mentors have no right to make decisions as if they owned the project.  They
are there to help and be part of the community decision making process.
However, Mentors have the only binding votes.  You have many times decried
giving binding votes to people who are not on a PMC.

> Fools may call it bureaucratic and too much overhead for "open source",
> but it is that adherence to basic principles of cooperative
> self-governance that allows an Apache project to survive the passing
> of fools.  We exchange the efficiencies of individual dictatorship for
> a less efficient process that requires more people to be involved (and
> thus buy into) whatever decisions need to be made.  We cannot
> short-circuit that process while trying to instill it.

I entirely agree, which is why you should re-read the proposed bootstrapping
process.  It is entirely about what you just wrote, above.  It is entirely
about a bootstrapping process so that the project can be more

	--- Noel

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